History Auto racing 1894-1942

http://www.jwcollinge.com/images/gallery/cars/speed_distortion.jpg

Caption:
"WARPED SPEED • Peugeot, Corona 1916
Bob Burman, averaging 90 MPH in a 1913 Peugeot Grand Prix race car, running second and challenging for the lead. He crashed, killing two spectators and himself."

From:
http://www.jwcollinge.com/racecars.htm






"1916 corona - bob burman (peugeot) dnf fatal acc "







"1916 corona - bob burman (peugeot) mechanic eric schroeder at wheel"

http://forums.autosport.com/lofiversion/index.php/t117996-500.html

 

Am I only one that noticed the "Phillips head" pattern on the knock-offs? Makes the car look like a pine derby car! Cool. Gary

 

Thanks for the quick response to my question gents.

The exact photo i posted can be found in the September 1925 issue of Popular Science Monthly - Page 38 - titled, How Fast can YOU GO?

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=wicDAAAAMBAJ...

I think the author was referring to the "beach car" in the article but obviously that's not a Duesy in the photo. Above the photo is a head shot of Milton and the caption below it clearly states that it is Milton in the car. I don't know if Milton ever drove a Peugeot or am i missing something?

 

Hi Kurtis,

I believe they were just using a cut and paste photo in that article,with a head shot of Milton above it.
It looks like a heavily artist doctored photo of a Peugeot to me,and certainly the article discusses speed records,and the Record Milton set was in a Duesy.....

I can`t say Milton never drove a Peugeot,but I don`t think that he ever did.

If he did it would have been in his IMCA pre-AAA days.

 

Almost exact but for the half steering wheel

 

Pottsville, Pa. June 7, 1924 I believe this is Zek Meyer in a Peugeot #9, if so why is the exhaust on the right side?

 

Bob it does not jump out at me as a Peugeot-why do you think it is a Peugeot?-Jim

 

Bob, grill shell looks like a DB.

 

The frame horns appear to me to look Peugeot,and I can see the word Peugeot painted on the frame side rail.
The grill and bodywork don`t look Peugeot,probably re-bodied.

Just a question,could the exhaust and intake on the Peugeot be swapped back and forth as it could be done on an Offy?

 

This is a photo of the Xerox copy of the original photo I sold years ago. DUMB mistake, but I needed money at that time. If you look close Peugeot is on the frame rail. I wondered the same, could you swap a block and run the intake and exhaust on different sides. There are nine cars in this photo, just about every one has a link to cars we discuss here.That #24 is the 1908 Mercedes GP car Spencer Wisehart car that ran INDY in 1911 and 1912, HISSO V8 powered with Larry Beales at the wheel.

 

The subject of what happened to the top line race cars after they were sold off or put to pasture is one that interests me. I`m sure it interests many of us who follow this thread.

Pottsville must have been something to see back then with those cars.

 

After studying this Peugeot engine photo I would say it might not be impossible to change intake and exhaust sides. The block is different at the rear top where there are stands to support the cam tunnel. But supports could be arranged on the front if it was switched to the back.

The big question is why would someone go to all that work....There might be a reason.

 

http://www.trombinoscar.com/fordT/fd2101.html

 

http://andthingsthatgo.blogspot.com/2009/05/engines-that-make-them-go.html






http://www.trombinoscar.com/fordT/fd2101.html




http://public.fotki.com/modlra/engines/

 

Mr Fire the 1920 Monroe was built up from a few pieces by Ed Roy some time ago. He built this and the Delage in the Museum as well. He was a great guy and super talented. We corresponded on this engine back in the 80s. I also believe Chuck Davis had some parts and pieces of another one or two Monroe/Frontenacs engines and I believe they are in Speedy Bills collection. Wish someone would come across one of the earlier engines from 1915 or 1916.-Jim

 

http://www.lib.auburn.edu/archive/find-aid/101/97-054.htm

 

Maybe a dumb question but why does the Monroe exhaust header appear to be made in copper? Is it just for display only? Maybe it's bronze? Was that common pre-WWI?

 

These items both intake and exhaust are made the same way brass horns are made ..... Bent filled with almost frozen water

Brass bronze and copper exhausts just sound WONDERFUL

 

I remember going to a band conference years ago and seeing a video of how Yamaha made the bends in their trumpet/conet/trombone/etc bells using a "frozen" liquid (don't remember what it was,but for whatever reason they didn't use water). They used the liquid method is because the bells are tapered- no good way to use a form or mandrel.

The liquid method makes for a perfect bend without any kinks or flat spots- neat to see!

 

It's water and an antifreeze agent resulting in a very cold slush

 

Thanks, that's very interesting. I've bent roll hoops (.080 wall) by packing sand inside and using a torch & hand bending. I'm still learning a lot about the way things were made in the early days of the automobile. So early cars sometimes used bronze (or brass/copper) exhaust headers?

 

Thanks for all the forming info, I have always wondered how that was done.

 

there is a loose quote about a ferrari engineer who made his exhaust pipes from organ tubes, something along the lines of you feel and hear the sound.

 

I also believe Chuck Davis had some parts and pieces of another one or two Monroe/Frontenacs engines and I believe they are in Speedy Bills collection. Wish someone would come across one of the earlier engines from 1915 or 1916.-Jim[/QUOTE]



This Monroe engine appears to have finger followers and a 38 degree VIA, 70 years before they were found to be near ideal. Planche or Van Ranst ? The earlier engine may be the clue.


Paul

 

Thanks Bluto!!!

 

Google "woods metal" ... I think you'll find that's what we're talking about.

 

or less toxic sand... http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=293162

 

ehdubya,

From what I understand, the water/antifreeze mix works is much easier to use and produces a better bend.

 

OOPS! The Wood's metal technique was/is for electro-depositioning rather than bending. This is what I was recalling, but it has not only bends, but a section change, circular to oblong. Apologies...

 

These guys use water with soap as an antifreeze and pine rosin or something that behaves like Wood's metal for larger bends http://www.co-bw.com/Factory.htm
...but they're doing constant radius bends with forms where old sand bent headers are usually a bunch of ellipses.
Here's a guy who prefers table salt for small tube http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/general/tube-bending-filler-resin-144034/