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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by pennafxu, Nov 9, 2010.

  1. pennafxu
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    You wouldn't happen to know a place where I can get a reputable T5 that will work with my soon to be hopped up flatty and correct adapter kit? I've read the posts on the HAMB, and it is still quite confusing... Maybe I should just call cornhusker... I'd rather overpay and get it right the first time... What do you think?

    or something like this...
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/CHEV..._Accessories&hash=item1c02eb7183#ht_764wt_822
     
  2. daddio211
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    I hear Cornhusker's kit is good and complete. You'll still need a T5 (junkyard) and there are several threads here to help you choose the right one.
     
  3. pennafxu
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    on with the cam removal... [​IMG]
     
  4. pennafxu
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    those are some old lock tabs...[​IMG]
     
  5. pennafxu
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    plate unbolted on flywheel side...[​IMG]
     
  6. pennafxu
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    cam tapped out easy at this point...[​IMG]
     
  7. pennafxu
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    but then got locked up due to one of the lifters jamming the way for removal of the cam shaft...[​IMG]
     
  8. pennafxu
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    i put leverage on the lifter and continued to tap out the cam shaft...[​IMG]
     
  9. pennafxu
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    finally the cam shaft was loose... Yipee![​IMG]
     
  10. pennafxu
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    some hand pressure...[​IMG]
     
  11. pennafxu
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    pennafxu
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  12. pennafxu
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    lobes actually look pretty good...[​IMG]
     
  13. pennafxu
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    shot of block...[​IMG]
     
  14. pennafxu
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    after hot tanking this will be bright red...[​IMG]
     
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  15. pennafxu
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    I will also paint with glyptal to seal the pores...[​IMG]
     
  16. pennafxu
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    end view after cam shaft removed...[​IMG]
     
  17. pennafxu
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    ok my budget is about 3 grand for the engine (would obviously like to re-use as much as possible...) What would ya do if it were you??? All input/ideas welcomed... I need reasoning for your answers. This is a traditional 27 T build if you have read all posts till now and I plan to build a hood to cover it up. This will be used for runs around town, occasional burnouts and expressway cruises...

    Thank you! That's all for now folks... next up is body work!!!! :)
     
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  18. daddio211
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    Yes, definitely hot tank the block but you're far from done. When Ford cast these they never got all of the sand out of the water jackets. There are a number of threads here on cleaning out those old passages and caverns, everything from sonic tumbling and muratic acid, to an old coat hangar on a drill motor. All have their good points, decide which one is the best for you, then choose a second method.

    Next, have the block magnafluxed for cracks. It's a flathead so it'll have a few. Have your local machine shop heli-coil the cracks and then pressure test the block.

    If you're budgeting 3K for the motor you won't get too far, I'd say you need to plan for about 5K for a reliable but healthy flatty, but you already have a few key components like the intake and carbs. Flatheads are expensive critters to build! Build it mild and build it to last or you'll spend a lot more in the very near future.

    I'm no flathead expert, but I've have a few and have built one. That said, 8:1 compression and two carbs is plenty for a street driven car. Aim for 150-175 HP and expect it to run, well, like a flatty. You won't be winning races and you may have to crank the steering wheel to the right to do your occasional burnout, but it's a flathead and you'll enjoy it.

    Reuse what you can to save money and talk to Jerry Jobe up in Montana about rebuilding your carbs to match the motor you're building. The guy is a wizard and has earned the respect he gets! Have fun with it all and thanks for keeping us updated!
     
  19. pennafxu
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    Thanks Daddio, as usual... :)

    So 5 grand is a more realistic figure when all is said and done?? What cam, valves, crank, pistons etc did u use on ur build bro??
     
  20. pennafxu
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    I am going with new heads, prolly offy, an isky max 1, new water pumps, aluminum timing wheel offy, and prolly an offy aluminum flywheel.... And various replacement parts from speedway (isky lifters, sleeves etc...) pistons stock replacements... I need to make sure the oiling is correct as others have had issues from clogged oil passages... After further research 5k is about right...
     
  21. daddio211
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    Block is 8BA. Only had 56K on the motor and it ran when we pulled it. Only took .010 to clean it up! :eek:
    We used a stock/original crank, reground but not stroked.
    Heads are Offy (new)
    Cam is a Isky Max 1
    Red's adjustable lifters
    Schneider aluminum flywheel
    Aluminum timing gear
    Offy 2 pot intake with Jerry Job carbs and linkage
    Red's Headers
    MSD Dizzy

    Expecting to get an honest 150-160 HP out of it and it will be driven fairly hard every time it leaves the garage, but it HAD to be reliable. Including everything from the early machine work/magnaflux/helicoil to the acorn nuts on the heads when we're done, it'll ring in around $5500.

    That's a lot of dough for such a small amount of performance, but that's not why we build flatheads, is it??? :cool:

    Besides, the only way a 50 Ford SHOULD sound is just like this. Straight pipes all the way out the back, and if there's ever a muffler under this car it'll be a really short Brockman!
     
  22. daddio211
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    Oh, make sure you do the little trick to the back of the block for pressurized oiling! Will make your flatty last a lot longer!
     
  23. pennafxu
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    Thanks again! U are like my "adopted father of rodding" Well my "Daddio" lol... Mine was a deadbeat that left my Mom with 4 kids, cashed in the life insurance when I was six. I have my two boys (7,9) and I am building this for/with them! They love it... Again $5,500 is a drop in the bucket compared to the shits and giggles and fun times, relationships and good people I am meeting... I love modern technology yet maintaining and learning from our history is how we become a more intelligent and empathetic humanity in all walks of life... Sorry I philosophically digress... I will follow Ur lead on the parts, that's about what I had in mind, maybe with some bitchin hand fabbed pipes rippin out the side of my custom hood!! What ya think bro?? lol
    PS... what do you think of extra cooling lines over the top of the engine? Is that overkill? or will that prevent her from gettin' killed?
     
    Last edited: Jan 18, 2011
  24. Good to see your still makin' progress!:D
    My son had a 35 Ford pickup and he built this 3/4 race '52 Merc Flathead with a T5 behind it. 390 cfm 4 bbl Holley, fenton headers, electronic ignition.
    Ran cool & strong even at freeway speeds!
    Nothing sound better than a flatty with a manual tranny & glasspacks!:cool:
    [​IMG]
     
  25. greaseguns
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    build it the way you want...who cares if the "HAMB" guys dont like it
     
  26. Ford blue blood
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    Intersting build! Do it like you want! Just a thought, good friend (old time hot rodder) that has a thing for "square" roofed car started a build of a T sedan. He had the body work done and then the car has been in his shed for ten years. He is 80 this spring and realised he will not finish so it is for sale. The body is near perfect and just short of paint. Looks to be the perfect fit. I listed it in the cars for sale section (27 T-sedan) for him (he don't do computers, I have no dog in this hunt). Your body is near the un-salvagable stage, certainly many, many hours of fab work alone never mind making it straight for paint. Take a look.....will make a great fit for the after market frame and new flat head, more pics if it lights your fire.
     

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  27. Damn - what a pity you're not in Birmingham UK. I'd be tearing down the M6 in a big van with a wad of cash......
     
  28. Marcy
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    Here's a T with an IH grill-----a lot of cutting to get it small enough to look proportional.[​IMG]
    and not much room for a radiator, but I do like the look.



    Marcy
     
  29. FANTM58
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    isnt that Bo Huffs T with the sectioned grill in the previous pic ?
    Think I saw it at Stream Line a few years ago ??
     
  30. pennafxu
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    Send me a PM on pricing info...
     

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