History We ALL Love a DARE! PIX of TRULY Extinct Makes?

MADISON should be in color. See post #4506

1916 Madison Model 6-40 Light Six, Five Passenger Tourer. offered for sale. - 6cyl 22hp 120" WB Rutenber engine.Only 237 were produced in 1916. Total production less than 350 cars produced. Excellent restored condition. Striking Two Tone Blue body, deep buttoned black leather upholstery. **The Madison Motor Company** -Anderson, Indiana USA (1915 - 1919)

 

VintageRide, Everlasting performance ... Hmmm! Sounds like a tall promise! LOL

I'm looking for visual evidence that any Carhartt auto survived, without success. It does NOT seem to be a forgotten make, though not all lists show the name. That's to those listers' discredit, in fairness, as the make seems to have gotten organized in 1910 and had some two full seasons to produce cars, before (apparently) squeezing out a FEW cars for 1913.

However, what I've found so far seems to indicate that Carhartts were moderately costly assembled cars, and their Detroit factory was insufficient to built enough cars to meet demand in timely fashion, once word got around how reliable and well made they were. I also get the impression that the managers may have tried to do too much, too soon and wound up scrambling, adjusting pricetags downward, etc., to try and make decent profits. During their brief run, it seems Carhartt offered cars on at least three wheelbases and a choice of at least four engines.

I'm guessing the cash flow, factory space, parts delivery and more may have contributed to their undoing, which would make them pretty typical for a startup company in the early years, IMO. The following little article from the NYT speaks reams, if you read between the lines!


NEW YORK TIMES, April 30, 1911

Gossip of the Automobilists and Notes of the Trade

Item:

Hamilton Carhartt, Jr., Vice President of the Carhartt Automobile
Corporation of DeHtroit, [sic] Mich., has been spending a few days
in town. Interviewed at his Broadway salesroom, he expressed
much gratification at the present outlook and said: "The New York
branch is making the factory hustle to fill its needs. So imperative
have been its demands of late that we have had to turn down
practically our entire Western business and rush all our output
on to New York."

Commenting further on factory conditions, Mr. Carhartt said:
"We had intended turning out only 300 cars this year, out the
New York requirements alone will greatly exceed this number,
and we are, therefore, compelled to make a quick move toward
enlarging our plant."

Smiling enigmatically when asked if he intended to race, Mr.
Carhartt replied: "Yes, we will probably get into the game, and
when we do, it will be with the goods. Up to the present time,
we've devoted so much energy to turning out pleasure cars that
racing cars had to be relegated to the background."


Tomorrow, I'll add some mechanical specs on Carhartt.

 

Folks.

Food for thought. This was developed from keyword leads from your posted Newspaper Article. Hamilton Carhartt, Jr. of Michigan was the son of Hamilton Carhartt (Sr.), who was born in 1855 in Macedon Locks (Macedon), just west of Palmyra in New York State. Hamilton Sr. died in 1937. One other son, Wylie, persued other manufacturing beyond the automobile business.

Automobile manufacturing may have been on Jefferson in Detroit. More to follow.

I can't believe that at least one Carhartt survived.

Vintageride

VintageRide, Everlasting performance ... Hmmm! Sounds like a tall promise! LOL

I'm looking for visual evidence that any Carhartt auto survived, without success. It does NOT seem to be a forgotten make, though not all lists show the name. That's to those listers' discredit, in fairness, as the make seems to have gotten organized in 1910 and had some two full seasons to produce cars, before (apparently) squeezing out a FEW cars for 1913.

However, what I've found so far seems to indicate that Carhartts were moderately costly assembled cars, and their Detroit factory was insufficient to built enough cars to meet demand in timely fashion, once word got around how reliable and well made they were. I also get the impression that the managers may have tried to do too much, too soon and wound up scrambling, adjusting pricetags downward, etc., to try and make decent profits. During their brief run, it seems Carhartt offered cars on at least three wheelbases and a choice of at least four engines.

I'm guessing the cash flow, factory space, parts delivery and more may have contributed to their undoing, which would make them pretty typical for a startup company in the early years, IMO. The following little article from the NYT speaks reams, if you read between the lines!


NEW YORK TIMES, April 30, 1911

Gossip of the Automobilists and Notes of the Trade

Item:

Hamilton Carhartt, Jr., Vice President of the Carhartt Automobile
Corporation of DeHtroit, [sic] Mich., has been spending a few days
in town. Interviewed at his Broadway salesroom, he expressed
much gratification at the present outlook and said: "The New York
branch is making the factory hustle to fill its needs. So imperative
have been its demands of late that we have had to turn down
practically our entire Western business and rush all our output
on to New York."

Commenting further on factory conditions, Mr. Carhartt said:
"We had intended turning out only 300 cars this year, out the
New York requirements alone will greatly exceed this number,
and we are, therefore, compelled to make a quick move toward
enlarging our plant."

Smiling enigmatically when asked if he intended to race, Mr.
Carhartt replied: "Yes, we will probably get into the game, and
when we do, it will be with the goods. Up to the present time,
we've devoted so much energy to turning out pleasure cars that
racing cars had to be relegated to the background."


Tomorrow, I'll add some mechanical specs on Carhartt.[/QUOTE]

 

Carhartt Thirty-Five advert -



http://www.earlyamericanautomobiles.com/images/advert576.jpg



A Carhartt badge -



http://www.automobiliaauctions.com/pages/032908catalog.html



The Carhartt factory on Jefferson -


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http://atdetroit.net/forum/messages/6790/42132.html?1112984310

 

Hamilton Carhartt and Family in a Packard -



"1904 Packard Model L with family in fur coats, parked by statuary and palms. Inscribed on photo back: 4-cylinder, 22-horsepower, 94-inch wheelbase, rear-entrance tonneau. The body is fitted with a folding victoria roof, folding glass windshield, and wicker baskets carried at the sides. Hamilton Carhartt and his wife are the couple closest to the camera in the light-colored coats. Mr. Carhartt is seated in the front seat and his wife is sitting directly behind him, posing with their car in Naples, Italy, 1904."

http://mmm.lib.msu.edu/search/browsedisplay.cfm?PageNum_items=7&t=2&subcol=938

 

The following is pure speculation with no basis in fact.

Is there any possibility that the vehicles in these advertisements could be depictions of Carhartt?????????







http://www.sweetjuniperinspiration.com/2010/02/fincks-overalls.html

 

You want to talk "extinct" Indiana auto makers?
Take a guess?
How many automakers could there have been in Indiana alone?
I ran across this info here:
http://www.indianahistory.org/library/manuscripts/collection_guides/M0159.html


BOX 1: Indiana Auto Makers, Adren-Avanti II
FOLDER CONTENTS
1 Indiana Auto Letterheads, 1922
2 Adren (New Castle), 1909
3 Albanus (Fort Wayne), 1899-1900
4 Albany (Albany), 1906-1909
5 Alena--steam (Indpls.), 1922
6 Allen--steam (Indpls.), n.d.
7 Allied--taxi (Kokomo), 1932-1934
8 American Simplex (Mishawaka), 1904-1906
9 American Junior (Lafayette), 1916-1920
10 American (Indianapolis), 1905-1920
11 American (New Albany), 1911-1912
12 American Motors, Indiana (South Bend, Mishawaka, and Richmond), n.d.
13 Amplex-Simplex (Mishawaka), 1911
14 American Motor Vehicle Co. (Lafayette), 1916
15 Avanti-Studebaker (South Bend), 1961-1963
16 Anahuac (Indpls.), 1922
17 Anderson Auto Materials (Anderson), 1906-1910
18 Anderson Highwheeler (Anderson), 1906
19 Anderson (Anderson), 1909-1910
20 Anglin (LaPorte), 1899
21 Ansted (Connersville), 1920s
22 Apperson (Kokomo), 1902-1926
23 Atlas (Indpls.), 1909-1911
24 Auburn (Auburn), 1900-1936, folder 1
25 Auburn (Auburn), 1900-1936, folder 2
26 Auburn (Auburn), 1900-1936, folder 3
27 Auburn Motor Chasis Co. (Auburn), 1915
28 Auto Parts Mfg. Co. (Muncie), n.d.
29 Avanti II (South Bend), 1965
BOX 2: Indiana Auto Makers, Baley-Chevrolet Brothers
FOLDER CONTENTS
1 Baley Klapp (Elwood), 1913
2 Barger Truck (Indpls.), 1918
3 Barrows Motor Truck (Indpls.), 1927-1928
4 Beetle Flyer (Noblesville), 1907
5 John Bean--fire truck (Tipton), 1973
6 Bendix (Logansport), 1907-1909
7 Bendix (South Bend), 1934
8 Betz (Hammond), 1921
9 Bicar (Indpls.), 1914
10 Birch (Burt-Crow--Elkhart), 1920-1921
11 Black (Indianapolis), 1891
12 Black Motor Vehicle Factory (Auburn), 1908
13 Black Crow (Elkhart), 1910
14 Black Diamond (Corydon), 1927-1928
15 Blackhawk Stutz (Indpls.), 1929
16 Bour-Davis (Frankfort), 1919
17 Brazil (Brazil), 1917
18 Bryan (Peru), 1918-1924
19 Brook (Brook), 1909
20 Brown Truck (Peru), 1913
21 Brook-Spackle (Brook), 1921
22 Brockway (Marion), n.d.
23 Boyer (Logansport), n.d.
24 Buckeye Gas Buggy (Anderson), 1895
25 Buckeye (Anderson), 1906
26 Bucklen (Elkhart), 1913
27 Bush (Elkhart), 1919, folder 1
28 Bush (Elkhart), 1919, Folder 2
29 Breakstone General Parts Corp., n.d.
30 Butler High Wheel (Butler), 1908
31 Caesar (Anderson), 1914
32 Cameron (Franklin), 1911
33 Cargy (Fairmount), 1904-1905
34 Cary (Fairmount), 1905-1906
35 Carrico-Detamble (Indpls.), 1908
36 Casaday (South Bend), 1905
37 Central--steam (Connersville), n.d.
38 Central (Indpls.), 1903
39 Champion (East Chicago), 1909
40 Champion (Wabash), 1915-1917
41 Chameleon--one of a kind (Indpls.), 1984
42 Chevrolet Brothers Frontenac (Indpls.), 1923
BOX 3: Indiana Auto Makers, Clark-Cross
FOLDER CONTENTS
1 Clark (Anderson), 1909
2 Clark (Shelbyville), 1912
3 Coats--steam (Indpls.), n.d.
4 Colonial (Indpls.), 1917-1918
5 Cole (Indpls.), 1909-1926
6 Columbia (Indpls.), 1906
7 Comet--cycle car (Indpls.), 1913
8 Comet Racer (Indpls.), 1904
9 Concord (Connersville), 1914-1916
10 Connersville--electric (Connersville), 1915-1916
11 Continental (Franklin & Knightstown), 1910
12 Cook (Indpls.), 1896
13 Coppock (Marion), 1907
14 Copelan (Evansville), 1907-1909
15 Cord (Auburn), 1929-1937, folder 1
16 Cord (Auburn), 1929-1937, folder 2
17 Cord (new), 1963?
18 Cornish-Friedberg (South Bend), 1907
19 Cory (Albany), 1907
20 Cougar (Kokomo), 1950s
21 Coyote (Albany), 1911
22 Craig-Hunt (Indpls.), 1919-1920
23 Crosley (Marion), 1946-1953, folder 1
24 Crosley (Marion), 1946-1953, folder 2
25 Crosley (Marion), 1946-1953, folder 3
26 Crosley (Marion), 1946-1953, folder 4
27 Crosley (Marion), 1946-1953, folder 5
28 Crosley (Marion), 1946-1953, folder 6
29 Cross (Indpls.), ca. 1923-1925
BOX 4: Indiana Auto Makers, Crow-Dixie
FOLDER CONTENTS
1 Crow (Elkhart), 1916-1918, folder 1
2 Crow (Elkhart), 1916-1918, folder 2
3 Crow (Elkhart), 1916-1918, folder 3
4 Crow (Elkhart), 1916-1918, folder 4
5 Crown--motorcycle (LaPorte), 1910
6 Crown (New Albany), 1915
7 Cummins Diesel (Columbus), n.d., folder 1
8 Cummins Diesel (Columbus), n.d., folder 2
9 Curtis Wright (South Bend), 1959
10 Cyclops (Indpls.), 1910
11 Cyclops--cyclecar (Indpls.), 1914
12 Dart Truck (Anderson), 1903-1907
13 Davis (Richmond), 1917-1920
14 DaVinci (Indpls.), 1921-1925
15 Dawson (Elwood), 1906
16 Dayton (Elkhart), 1911-1917
17 Decatur (Decatur), 1907-1912
18 Dearborn (Lawrenceburg), 1910-1911
19 DeFreet (Indpls.), 1895
20 DeKalb (Fort Wayne), 1915
21 DeKalb (Auburn), 1916
22 Derby (Richmond), 1924-1927
23 DeTamble (Anderson), 1910-1914
24 DeSoto (Auburn), 1914
25 DeSoto Motorette (Fort Wayne), 1914-1915
26 Delivr-All (Indpls.), 1949
27 DeWitt (North Manchester), 1909 & 1982
28 Diamond (South Bend), 1909-1911
29 Diehnart & Smith (Lafayette), 1901
30 Dispatch (Indpls.), 1911-1922
31 Dixie (Vincennes), 1916
BOX 5: Dolley Madison-Elkhart
FOLDER CONTENTS
1 Dolley Madison (Anderson), 1915-1916
2 Dovetail (Crawfordsville), 1900
3 Drage (Ossian), 1906
4 Duesenberg Model J (Indpls.), 1930-1937
5 Duesenberg (Indpls.), 1927-1937
6 Duesenberg--new (Indpls.), 1965
7 Duesenberg II (Indpls.), 1979
8 Dumore (Lafayette), ca. 1918
9 Durable T--truck (Hammond), 1917
10 Duplex (Logansport), 1908
11 Duplex (Anderson), 1911
12 Durant (Muncie), 1921-1930
13 Eckhart (Auburn), 1903
14 Eclipse (Fort Wayne), 1902
15 Economy Buggy (Fort Wayne), 1907-1908
16 Economy Car (Indpls.), 1913
17 Eichmeyer (Indpls.), ca. 1930
18 Eichstaedt (Michigan City), 1902
19 E.I.M.--cyclecar (Richmond), 1915
20 Elco (Indpls.), 1915-1916
21 Elcar (Elkhart), 1909-1931, folder 1
22 Elcar (Elkhart), 1909-1931, folder 2
23 Elcar (Elkhart), 1909-1931, folder 3
24 Elcar-electric (Elkhart), 1974
25 Electrobile (Indpls.), 1902
26 El-Fay--taxi cab (Elkhart), 1923-1925
27 Elegant (Indpls.), 1974-
28 Elk--motorcycle (Elkhart), 1911
29 Elk-Hart (Elkhart), 1921-1922
30 Elkhart--truck (Elkhart), 1929-1931
31 Elkhart miscellaneous
BOX 6: Indiana Auto Makers, Elgin-Haynes
FOLDER CONTENTS
1 Elgin (Indpls.), 1923-1924
2 Elwood (Elwood), 1915
3 Empire (Indpls. & Connersville), 1909-1919
4 Erie (Anderson), 1900
5 Erskine-Studebaker (South Bend), 1927
6 Evansville (Evansville), 1907-1909 & 1913
7 Excellent Six (Anderson), 1907-1909
8 Famous--highwheeler (East Chicago), 1906-1909
9 Farm-O-Road (Marion), 1951
10 Federal (Elkhart), 1909
11 Feeny Cycle Car (Muncie), 1914
12 Fellwock (Evansville), 1907-1908
13 Fisher (Mooresville), 1903
14 Flandermobile (Anderson), 1901
15 Flying Merkel (Indpls.), 1913
16 F.M.C.--fire truck (Tipton), n.d.
17 Ford Motor Co.--assembly plants (Indpls. & Hammond), 1900s-1920s
18 Fort Wayne Powerwagon (Fort Wayne), 1911
19 Frankfort (Frankfort), 1917
20 Frazier-Elkhart (Elkhart), 1915
21 Frontenac-Chevrolet (Indpls.), 1923-1924
22 Gale 4 (Indpls.), 1920-1922
23 Garford (Marion), 1939?
24 Garrett--highwheel (Garrett), 1909
25 Garrett (Garrett), 1906
26 Gary Six (Gary), 1914
27 General Motors Truck Plant (Fort Wayne), n.d.
28 Geneva--cyclecar (Geneva), 1914
29 Gibson Mon-Auto (Elkhart), 1917; [Indpls., 1903?]
30 Gilette (Mishawaka), 1916
31 Goabout (Kokomo), 1901-1902
32 Goshen (Goshen), 1905-1907
33 Graham (Fort Wayne), 1967
34 Graham Truck (Evansville), 1921-1940
35 Graham-Paige (Evansville), 1921-1940
36 Gaar, Scott Thresher (Richmond), 1902-1916
37 Great Western (Peru), 1909-1914
38 Great Western--steam (LaPorte), 1902-1905
39 Greyhound (Lafayette), 1910s
40 Hambrick (Washington), 1908
41 Hamiltonian (Greensburg), 1909
42 Handy Wagon (Auburn), 1912-1915
43 Harper (Columbia City), 1907-1908
44 Hassler (Indpls.), 1917
45 Hassler Motorbuggy (Indpls.), 1898
46 Hayn (Mishawaka), 1901
47 Haynes Pioneer (Kokomo), 1918-1919
48 Haynes Apperson (Kokomo), 1898-1904
49 Haynes (Kokomo), 1905-1925
50 Haynes Models 50, 55, 57, 60, Series 80 (Kokomo), 1910s & 1920s
51 Haynes & Conrad Wolfe Photos
52 Haynes Fire, 28 February 1911
BOX 7: Indiana Auto Makers, H.C.S. (Stutz)-Indiana Truck
FOLDER CONTENTS
1 H.C.S. Stutz (Indpls.), 1920-1925
2 Hercules (New Albany), 1915-1916
3 Hearsey (Indpls.), 1912
4 Henderson (Indpls.), 1913-1914
5 Herff-Brooks (Indpls.), 1914-1915
6 Herrman (Tell City), 1905
7 Highlander 6 (Indpls.), 1918
8 Hoadley 4 Wheel Drive (Gosport), 1916
9 Holcomb (Indpls.), 1913
10 Hoosier Limited (Decatur), 1907-1908
11 Hoosier Scout--cyclecar (Indpls.), 1914
12 Horsey Horseless (Kokomo), 1899
13 Howard (Lexington), 1913
14 Howe Fire Apparatus (Anderson), 1932-1983
15 Howe--electric (Indpls.), 1907
16 Howe (Bloomington), 1895-1896
17 Huffman (Elkhart), 1919-1927, folder 1
18 Huffman (Elkhart), 1919-1927, folder 2
19 Huffman (Elkhart), 1919-1927, folder 3
20 Huffman (Elkhart), 1919-1927, folder 4
21 Huffman (Elkhart), 1919-1927, folder 5
22 Hummer (Mishawaka), 1984-
23 Huntingburg (Huntingburg), 1901
24 Hydromotor (Indpls.), 1916-1917
25 Ideal (Fort Wayne), 1909 [1915?]
26 Ideal (Indpls.), 1912
27 IMP (Auburn), 1914
28 Indiana (Indpls. & Franklin), 1909-1910
29 Indiana (Indpls.), 1901
30 Indiana (Bluffton), 1904
31 Indianapolis (Indpls.), 1899
32 Indiana Truck (Marion), 1911-1933, folder 1
33 Indiana Truck (Marion), 1911-1933, folder 2
34 Indiana Truck (Marion), 1911-1933, folder 3
35 Indiana Truck (Marion), 1911-1933, folder 4
36 Indiana Truck (Marion), 1911-1933, folder 5
BOX 8: Indiana Auto Makers, Inland-Lexington
FOLDER CONTENTS
1 Inland Steam Truck (Evansville), 1919
2 International (Fort Wayne), 1923-
3 Interstate (Muncie), 1909-1919
4 Izzer (Peru), 1911
5 James (Lawrenceburg), 1909
6 Johnson Motorbike (South Bend), n.d.
7 Jonz (New Albany), 1909-1912
8 Kelsey--cycle car (Connersville), 1913-1914
9 Kenworthy (Mishawaka), 1920-1922
10 Kerston Gas Electric (South Bend), 1917
11 Kiblinger (Auburn), 1907-1909
12 King--steam (Osgood), 1904
13 Kindall (Bluffton), 1903
14 Kirsch--truck (Decatur), 1908
15 Knightstown Buggy Co. (Knightstown), 1908-1909
16 Kokomo Six--Haynes (Kokomo), n.d.
17 Kokomo--motrocycle (Kokomo), 1910
18 Komet (Elkhart), 1898 & 1911
19 Kugel (Indpls.), 1913-1914
20 Lafayette (Indpls.), 1920-1922
21 L.C.S. (Fort Wayne), 1910
22 Lambert (Union City), 1904
23 Lambert (Anderson), 1904-1917
24 LaPorte (LaPorte), 1895
25 Laurel (Anderson), 1917-1921
26 Laurel (Richmond), 1916-1917
27 Lawter (New Castle), 1908-1910
28 Leader (Knightstown), 1906-1912
29 Leist (Michigan City), 1911
30 Lexington (Connersville), 1910-1926
BOX 9: Indiana Auto Makers, Lindsay--Millercycle
FOLDER CONTENTS
1 Lindsey Russel Co. (Indpls.), 1902-1903
2 Lindsley (Indpls.), 1907-1908
3 Lohr (Elkhart), 1911
4 Lorraine (Richmond), 1920-1923
5 Lowell (Lowell), 1918-1919
6 Lyons Atlas (Indpls.), 1916
7 Lyons Knight (Indpls.), 1913
8 Madison (Anderson), 1915-1918
9 Mais Truck (Indpls.), 1910-1916
10 Marathon (Indpls.), 1913
11 Marathon (Elkhart), 1920
12 Marmon (Indpls.), 1902-1933
13 Marion (Indpls.), 1905-1915
14 Marmon-Herrington (Indpls.), 1931-1964
15 Martle--taxi cab (Elkhart), 1926-1927
16 Maxwell (New Castle), 1904-1925
17 Montpelier (Indpls.), 1910
18 McFarlan (Connersville), 1902-1928, folder 1
19 McFarlan (Connersville), 1902-1928, folder 2
20 McFarlan (Connersville), 1902-1928, folder 3
21 McCurdy (Evansville), 1922
22 McIntyre (Auburn), 1909-1914
23 Menges (Elkhart), 1907
24 Merz--cyclecar (Indpls.), 1914
25 Mercer (Elkhart), 1931
26 Meteor (Indpls.), 1912
27 Meteor (Shelbyville), 1913
28 Mier (Ligonier), 1905-1910
29 Miller (Goshen), 1905-1906
30 Miller (Anderson), 1898
31 Millercycle (Anderson), late 1940s
BOX 10: Indiana Auto Makers, Mills-Noble
FOLDER CONTENTS
1 Mills Electric (Lafayette), 1917
2 Model Gas Engine Works (Auburn), 1902-1906
3 Model Automobile Co. (Peru), 1907
4 Mohawk (Indpls.), 1903-1904
5 Mohler (Kokomo), 1901
6 Mollenhour (Mentone), 1908-1910
7 Monroe (Indpls.), 1918-1923
8 Moore Car (Indpls.), 1917
9 Morriss London (Elkhart), 1919-1921
10 Motorbuggy (Fort Wayne), 1908
11 Muncie--truck (Munice), 1909-1910
12 Muncie (Muncie), 1903
13 Munson (LaPorte), 1898
14 Muntz (Evansville), 1950-1955
15 Murillo (Marion), 1906
16 Mutual Truck (Sullivan), 1919-1924
17 National (Indpls.), 1900-1924, folder 1
18 National (Indpls.), 1900-1924, folder 2
19 National (Indpls.), 1900-1924, folder 3
20 National (Indpls.), 1900-1924, folder 4
21 New Parry (Indpls.), 1911-1912
22 New York 8 (Richmond), 1928-1929
23 Niagara (Buffalo, N.Y.), 1910s
24 Noble Motor Corp. (Kendallville), 1919-1931
BOX 11: Indiana Auto Makers, Nyberg-Reeves
FOLDER CONTENTS
1 Nyberg (Anderson), 1911-1914, folder 1
2 Nyberg (Anderson), 1911-1914, folder 2
3 Ohio Falls (New Albany), 1911-1913
4 Oliver (South Bend), 1905
5 Olson (Pittsboro), 1907
6 Overland (Terre Haute), 1903-1909
7 Packard Darrin (Connersville), 1940
8 Packard (South Bend), 1956-1958
9 Pak-Age-Car (Indpls. & Connersville), 1936-1941
10 Paragon (Elkhart), 1932
11 Parry (Indpls.), 1896-1900
12 Pathfinder--Stutz (Indpls.), 1911-1918
13 Pedalmobile (Indpls.), 1911
14 Perfection (South Bend), 1906-1908
15 Peru Silver Eagle (Peru), 1982
16 Peters (Indpls.), 1921-1922
17 Pilgrim (New Albany), 1913
18 Pilot (Richmond), 1909-1924
19 Pioneer-Truck (Valparaiso), 1923-1925
20 Plymouth (Evansville), 1935-1939
21 Pneumobile (Anderson), 1914-1915
22 Pokorney (Indpls.), 1905
23 Pope Waverly--electric (Indpls.), 1903-1908
24 Postal (Bedford), 1907
25 Powell Special (Elkhart), 1929
26 Pratt (Elkhart), 1911-1915
27 Pratt Motorcycle (Elkhart), 1911
28 Premier (Indpls.), 1905-1925
29 Prigg--cyclecar (Indpls.), 1914
30 Princeton (Muncie), 1923
31 Prosperity--taxi cab (Elkhart), 1933-1934
32 Pullman (Peru), 1907
33 Rabber & Lang (South Bend), 1909
34 R.A.C. (South Bend), 1911-1912
35 Rayfield (Peru), 1915
36 Rea (Rushville), 1901-1902
37 Red Ball (Frankfort), 1924-1927
38 Red Bug--children's car (Lafayette), 1916
39 Reeves (Columbus), 1896-1910
40 Reeves Sextoauto (Columbus), 1912
41 Reeves Octoauto (Columbus), 1912
BOX 12: Indiana Auto Makers, Real-Service
FOLDER CONTENTS
1 Real--cyclecar (Converse), 1914-1915
2 Relay (Wabash), 1927-1931
3 Revere (Logansport), 1917-1922, folder 1
4 Revere (Logansport), 1917-1922, folder 2
5 Revere (Logansport), 1917-1922, folder 3
6 Revere (Logansport), 1917-1922, folder 4
7 Reutenber (Anderson), 1901
8 Rex (Indpls.), 1908
9 Richelieu (Logansport), 1921
10 Rider Lewis (Muncie & Anderson), 1908-1911
11 Richmond (Richmond), 1906-1916
12 Richmond--steam (Richmond), 1903
13 Ricketts (South Bend), 1909-1910
14 Roach & Albanus (Fort Wayne), 1899
15 Robertson (Mount Vernon), 1895
16 Rockne 6 (South Bend), 1932-1933
17 Rodefeld (Richmond), 1905-1917
18 Roosevelt (Indpls.), 1929-1930
19 Royal (Elkhart), 1913
20 Rumely--tractor (LaPorte), 1910S-1920S
21 Ruth (North Webster), 1908
22 Rutenber (Logansport), 1902
23 Saf-T-Cab (Auburn), 1928
24 Schebler (Indpls.), 1908-1909
25 Scout (Fort Wayne), 1961-1980
26 Schultz--fire trucks (Wabash), 1976-1977
27 Sears Steam (Indpls.), 1901
28 Sears (Evansville), 1908-1909
29 Sedgwick (Richmond), 1901
30 Senator (Ridgeville), 1906-1910
31 Service--truck (Wabash), 1914-1926, folder 1
32 Service--truck (Wabash), 1914-1926, folder 2
BOX 13: Indiana Auto Makers, Seeney-Studebaker
FOLDER CONTENTS
1 Seeney (Muncie), 1914
2 Sellers (Elkhart), 1909-1912
3 Shad Wyck (Frankfort), 1917-1918
4 Sheridan (Muncie), 1920-1921.
5 Shoemaker (Elkhart), 1907
6 Simplicity (Greensburg), 1904
7 Simplicity (Evansville), 1907-1911
8 Single Center (Evansville), 1906-1910
9 South Bend Double Duty Truck (South Bend), 1913-1916
10 Sparke Motor Car (Indpls.), 1915
11 Stanley (Mooreland), 1908
12 Sperling (Elkhart), 1921-1923
13 Standard 6 (Wabash), 1910
14 Standard Truck (Indpls.), 1918
15 Star (Ligonier), 1903-1904
16 Star (Indpls.), 1909-1911
17 Star (Peru), 1908
18 Sterling (Elkhart), 1909-1911
19 St. Joe (Elkhart), 1909
20 Stratton (Muncie), 1909
21 Stratton-Premier (Indpls.), 1922-1923
22 Streamline (Indpls.), 1913
23 Studebaker (South Bend), 1902-1966, folder 1
24 Studebaker (South Bend), 1902-1966, folder 2
25 Studebaker (South Bend), 1902-1966, folder 3
26 Studebaker (South Bend), 1902-1966, folder 4
27 Studebaker (South Bend), 1902-1966, folder 5
28 Studebaker (South Bend), 1902-1966, folder 6
29 Studebaker (South Bend), 1902-1966, folder 7
30 Studebaker (South Bend), 1902-1966, folder 8
BOX 14: Indiana Auto Makers, Stutz-Zimmerman
FOLDER CONTENTS
1 Stutz (Indpls.), 1911-1935, folder 1
2 Stutz (Indpls.), 1911-1935, folder 2
3 Stutz-Fire Engine (Indpls.), 1920
4 Subaru-Isuzu (Lafayette), 1989-
5 Sun (Elkhart), 1916-1918
6 Swan (Indpls.), 1916
7 Super Allied Taxi (Elkhart), 1935
8 Talbert Trailers (Rensselaer), 1970s
9 Teetor Hartley (Hagerstown), 1916
10 Tincher (South Bend), 1904-1907
11 TJK Special (Fort Wayne), 1909
12 Tone (Indpls.), 1913
13 Torpedo Motorcycle (Whiting), 1906-1908
14 Traveler (Evansville), 1910-1911
15 Trebert (Butler), 1910
16 Trees (Greenfield), 1906
17 Tricolet (Indpls.), 1905
18 Tritt (South Bend), 1905
19 Trucktor (Indpls.), 1917-1918
20 Twentieth Century (South Bend), 1901
21 Union (Union City), 1902-1905
22 Union (Anderson), 1905
23 Union (Auburn), 1917
24 United (Greensburg), 1920
25 Universal Truck (New Castle), 1910
26 Upton (New Castle), 1903
27 Upton (Bristol), 1903-1905, 1913
28 Utility--funeral car (Richmond), 1918
29 Valley (Elkhart), 1926-1929
30 Vavinci (Indpls.), 1925
31 VanAuken Electric (Connersville), 1913
32 Vanderbilt (Brazil), 1921
33 Vanell--steam (Vincennes), 1894-1895
34 Vaughn (Indpls.), 1908
35 Vaughn Runabout (Indpls.), 1912
36 Victor (Ridgeville), 1906-1909
37 Victory--electric (Indpls.), 1900
38 Victory Tractor Co. (Greensburg), 1919
39 W.A.C. (Woodburn), 1905
40 Walker Steam (New Albany), 1901
41 Washington (Washington), 1907-1911
42 Waverly Electric (Indpls.), 1908-1916
43 Waverly (Indpls.), 1899-1903
44 Wayne Works (Richmond), 1904-1905; 1931-
45 Wayne (Fort Wayne), 1905-1919
46 Webb (Vincennes), 1908-1910
47 Weasel-Studebaker, 1944
48 Westcott (Richmond), 1909-1925
49 White Steam (Indpls.), 1900-1903
50 Whiteside Truck (New Castle), 1911
51 Williams (South Bend), 1905
52 Windsor (Evansville), 1906
53 Winkler (South Bend), 1911-1912
54 Wizard--cyclecar (Indpls.), 1914
55 World Buggy Co. (South Bend), 1907
56 Worth (Evansville), 1907-1908
57 Woodburn (Woodburn), 1911
58 Wyman (Austin), 1902
59 Yarlott (Fort Wayne), 1920
60 Zentmobile (Evansville), 1903
61 Zimmerman (Auburn), 1908-1914

There may be one or two here to add to the extinct list!

 

Seems as though we've got more questions than answers so far on Carhartt. The following tight and well-written AACA article: Car Fun Facts (local.aaca.org/northeastflorida/car_fun_facts.htm -) contains an interesting passage that may OR not be relevant in some fashion.

"Steam cars had been built in America since before the Civil War but the early one were like miniture locomotives. In 1871, Dr. J. W. Carhart, professor of physics at Wisconsin State University, and the J. I. Case Company built a working steam car. It was practical enough to inspire the State of Wisconsin to offer a $10,000 prize to the winner of a 200 mile race in 1878. The 200 mile race had seven entries, or which two showed up for the race. One car was sponsored by the city of Green Bay and the other by the city of Oshkosh. The Green Bay car was the fastest but broke down and the Oshkosh car finished with an average speed of 6 mph."

We know that Hamilton Carhartt's father was a Dr. George Carhart [proper original spelling]. He was a SURGEON. HOWEVER, might he be a RELATIVE of the Dr. Carhart who built the 1871 steam car? And, if so, might the entrepreneurial Hamilton Carhartt [his adopted spelling] have derived his automotive interest from the steamer? Myself, I think where there's smoke, there's fire.

(BTW, $10 thousand was a BUNDLE of dough in 1878!)

 

According to this image; 120 years ago, in 1889, Hamilton Carhartt started a company for work wear with only 4 sewing machines and 5 employees in a Detroit attic. His main product was a durable workman's overall tailored with fair union labour to the specific needs of railroad workers. By 1910, his business had become so successful that the Carhartt company was expanding all over North America and Europe.

Interesting that it pictures a car which I assume to be a Carhartt but says nothing about the automotive part of the business.

 

There is 1 1902 Union and 1 1902 Union Stanhope 4 passenger listed in the 2010 Horseless Carriage Club Directory, both living in New York.

The owner of the !902 Union has a very interesting collection of early cars;

1901 Rochester
1902 Union
1905 Binford
1907 Carter Car
1908 Bailey
1910 Elmore - one
1910 Elmore - two
1910 Elmore - three
1910 Packard - one
1910 Packard - two
1910 Parry
1911 Cutting - one
1911 Cutting - two
1913 Henderson - one
1913 Henderson - two
1914 Grant Roadster
1914 Henderson
1914 Moline-Knight
1914 Moline-Knight 50 Touring
1914 Woods Mobilette

 

Here's a picture of a 1901 Rochester, courtesy of;

http://www.earlyamericanautomobiles.com/amesburyautos.htm

 

The Bailey Automobile & The Bailey Automobile Co.

1907-1910

Headquartered in Springfield, Massachusetts.

The Bailey Automobile Co. was formed by H. G. Whitman president and Bertram Bailey Vice-President & Chief engineer. Bertram Bailey put up $20,000.00 in 1906 to establish The Bailey Automobile Co. in exchange for use of his name on the car.

The Bailey was a five passenger Touring Car that had a very peculiar appearance, such as rounded hood.

The Bailey was equipped with a four cylinder rotary engine with 254 cubic inches and rated at 24 horsepower. It had a two speed selective type transmission, shaft drive and was on a 100 inch wheelbase.

 

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Appears the car in the Carhartt ad is the 1904 Packard
Model L Grahame posted a bit earlier. But, I do believe
(just me) that the odd (intentional) spelling of Carhartt
with two ts is more than a mere hint that the same
FAMILY dabbled in autos -- witness the Hamilton
Carhartt, Jr., comments published in 1911 in the New
York Times. It appears to me that they only had, at
most two serious seasons in the business, the venture
either broke even or lost money, and they got out.
If that were true, IMO, we still have yet to find
evidence the Carhartt autos are (or NOT) EXTINCT.
As SWI always says, extinct until shown otherwise, eh?

 

Wow, Jim, one fab collection he has! The '02 UNION
is, of course, not the '16 we discussed. BUT, that
knocks the earlier, unrelated Union off the EXTINCT
list. That is great by itself, especially since it an EARLY
Brass lamp make! (I still maintain the '16 Union is
extinct, though.)



There is 1 1902 Union and 1 1902 Union Stanhope 4 passenger listed in the 2010 Horseless Carriage Club Directory, both living in New York.

The owner of the 1902 Union has a very interesting collection of early cars;

1901 Rochester -- EXTANT, NOT EXTINCT! Rah!
1902 Union -- EXTENT -- NOT EXTINCT!
1905 Binford
1907 Carter Car
1908 Bailey
1910 Elmore - one
1910 Elmore - two
1910 Elmore - three
1910 Packard - one
1910 Packard - two
1910 Parry
1911 Cutting - one
1911 Cutting - two -- AMAZING. What's that bring our Cutting
count up to? FOUR???
1913 Henderson - one
1913 Henderson - two
1914 Grant Roadster
1914 Henderson
1914 Moline-Knight
1914 Moline-Knight 50 Touring
1914 Woods Mobilette <!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

 

Last night, I spent a bit of time, researching the Carhartt Automobile Corporation.

Mr. Fire also attached a map from 1910/1911 that shows the Carhartt Automobile Corporation.


According to the Michigan manufacturer & financial record, Volume 2, Issue 20, March 19, 1910 By Frank E. Carter; Carhartt Automobile manufacturing was located at the old "Michigan Yacht and Power Company" on Jefferson at Baldwin street and opposite Townsend Street. The Carhartt automobile lineup was to include "several grades of riding and commercial" vehicles. As far as can be gleaned from limited information, Carhartt automobiles were built only for the 1910 and 1911 model years, which is what Jimi'shemi found. I'd bet, if we looked harder, the Carhartt automobile concern was packaged for a larger manufacturer. The article suggested there were automobile manufacturers among the shareholders.


The former location of the Carhartt Automobile manufacturing facility is currently occupied by the Brodhead Armory (built about 1930) at 7600 East Jefferson Avenue. It is listed on the National Register of Historic Places and is a locally designated Historic District. The Brodhead Armory Preservation Society is currently an advocate for preservation of Brodhead.

Jimi'shemi, you may be onto a real Wisconsin connection. A steam automobile in the 1800's. That requires some exploration. Way too much of a coincidence. I did find something that said the extra "t" was added to to the Carhart name to assist in name recognition. Of course, I can not find the reference again.

I found some fantastic information on the cars in the NYT.

Wow, these were built well. Even more reason to see one now. But, where did they all go?

Carhartt model Thirty-five articles. I hope the links below work.

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F30D11FB345D16738DDDAF0994D8415B808DF1D3

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F50711FD385517738DDDA10894D9405B818DF1D3


Sunroofcord, you are on to it in a big way!

It is related through the founders to the same company that sold and still sells high quality workware. That, is very cool indeed.

Vintageride

 

Thanks, VintageRide. This is at least as interesting as ANY make we've all worked on previously. I'll get the specs I promised yesterday (I got side-tracked). I agree, TOO much of a coincidence to BE a coincidence. And, since the old man was already a multi-millionaire, I find it quite plausible that he could have had connections with established automakers.

 

Records seem to show that Carhartt did offer models in three years, 1911 - 1913, ranging from about $1,100 to $3,100. I've rounded rated horsepower up or down to the nearest whole number. All engines were four-cylinders, including either L-Head or T-Head design. From Carhartt, Jr's comments in the Times, I doubt they ever built more than a total of a thousand cars, if that.

Still, even backed by the elder Carhartt's money (and maybe from others?), it SURELY seems they experimented a good deal in their brief run, perhaps, searching for a market niche?


1911 CARHARTT Series J, 201-CID, 25 hp 4-cyl, 108" WB
1911 CARHARTT B, C & E Series, 255-CID 29 hp 4-cyl, 118" WB

1912 CARHARTT Series J, 233-CD L-Head, 26 hp 4-cyl, 108" WB
1912 CARHARTT Series B, 411-CID T-Head 38 hp 4-cyl, 118" WB

1913 CARHARTT Series K, 233-CID L-Head, 26 hp 4-cyl, 109 WB
1913 CARHARTT Series B, 350-CID L-Head, 32 hp 4-cyl, 119 WB

 

http://www.damninteresting.com/the-last-great-steam-car

 

the stout scarab, one of my dream cars.

 

I have a question for Sunroofcord regarding the 4 wheel independant suspension of the 540K I know you said it's the only 30's era car with this type of suspension you know of. Since this post I tried to look up at the Tracta of the 20's which was a FWD french car with an IFS, it was the first car with the "homocinetic" U-joint which you find now on every single FWD cars. With a production of 120 they're pretty rare, I know at least one made it's way to the US and appears from time to time at pebble beach, I looked at the pics of one I took in the 80's but like everybody else I took pictures of the front I couldn't find any info on the rear suspension set up except that they were actuated by a cantilever, could it be for an IRS?
Anybody??
I also found out about a DeDion Bouton bus in 1898 with 4 wheel drive and 4 independant wheels (true or not? Because apparently it had 4 parallel leaf springs) but with a single bus it's no production vehicule. The funny storry with this bus is that it was the first ever motor vehicule to drive in Paris and since there was no regulations or rules for this type of vehicule, DeDion got about 18 citations the first day of driving in Paris. He had to have a meeting with the chief of the Paris police the next day to change or make rules for horseless carriages.

 

Chrisp,

The rear suspension of the "Tracta" was a live axle with quarter eliptic leaf springs.

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/747/Tracta-E-Henri-Le-Moine-Coupe.html

.............................

There was also an Alvis with input from G T Smith-Clarke



http://www.jumbani.demon.co.uk/Alvis 1927.JPG



http://www.jumbani.demon.co.uk/Alvis 1926.JPG

...............................

and Stanhope



and lots more on here: http://www.lightauto.com/fwd2.html

http://www.lightauto.com/front wheel drive.html

 

Thanks, I read this page before, on an other site in french they were talking about cantilever rear suspension, maybe on a different model or is it a mistake?
On the last site, there is a spelling mistake with Jean Albert Gregoire and not Gregiore

 

1948 Mercury Bob Hope Special
Not extinct though, up for auction at Mecum.

 

Found a little more about Indiana auto Manufacturers.
And a town called Cornersville.
And a name of another car not on the previous list!
The Central, built by the Central Manufacturing company.
Definitely extinct because it was destroyed in a plant fire in 1905!

Connersville became known as a "furniture and buggy town" because there were several factories making these products. As the automobile or horseless carriage appeared on the scene, the buggy and wagon were pushed aside. Several different lines of automobiles were made here, such as: the Central, the Ansted, the Lexington, the McFarlan, the Cord, the Auburn, and the Empire.
For many of the more than 200 automobiles built in Indiana, Connersville was an important parts supplier. Auto pioneers from all over the Mid-West visited Connersville's Auto Industrial Park. There they could purchase bodies, springs, tops, enclosures, lamps, interior upholstery and leather trim, engine castings and many small parts.
The first car to be built in Connersville was the Central, built in the Central Manufacturing Plant on West Seventh Street. Unfortunately, the car was lost when the plant burned in 1905. The Kelsey Cycle Car, the Howard and the Ansted were produced in Connersville for a very short period of time.
The Lexington Motor Company moved to Connersville from Lexington, Kentucky, and manufactured automobiles until 1928. The company was also active in automobile racing and in 1919 and 1924, won the Pikes Peak Hill Climb, bringing home the beautiful Penrose Trophy, which is kept at the local Fayette County Historical Museum.
The McFarlan was the outgrowth of the MCFarlan Carriage Company, which turned to automobile manufacturing in 1909. The company turned out very fine automobiles for the next 18 years. The company was active in automobile racing as well as building fire engines, hook and ladder machines, ambulances, police cars and hearses. In 1922 the company built a special #154 Town Car for a man in Chicago; it was gold plated and cost $25,000.
In 1927 and 1928, Errett Lobban Cord purchased the Ansted Engine Company, the Lexington Motor Car Company and the Central Manufacturing Company. The Central was already manufacturing bodies for his Auburns, and in 1929 he began to move part of his production line to Connersville. By March 1932, the factory had 2500 employees and was turning out 222 Auburns a day. All final production was centered in Connersville by 1934. Known as "The Birthplace of the Cord" the first Cord rolled off the line and out 18th Street for a test drive up Western Avenue in the fall of 1936, the first of 3000 Cords built in Connersville until production ceased in August 1937.
Nearly all the parts needed to make an automobile were made right here in Connersville. That distinction earned the town the title of "Little Detroit". The following details the various companies that made Connersville a thriving industrial town.

http://www.connersvillechamber.com/tourism/tourism_history.htm

 

More on Central Manufacturing Company ;

http://www.coachbuilt.com/bui/c/central/central.htm

 

The post World War II influx of European automotive influences affected the car business across America. While Detroit&#8217;s styling studios were churning out inspired styling exercises to whet the mass buying public&#8217;s appetites, hot rodders and customizers were following suit with more adventurous designs suited to more individual tastes. One of the most famous early examples of the latter was built - without corporate backing and at a supposed cost of $12,000 - by Lloyd Templeton and his sons Don and Bob. Dubbed the &#8216;Templeton Saturn,&#8217; it caused a sensation with its radical appearance and became the most celebrated custom car in America.

Based on a customized Mercury chassis, the &#8216;Templeton Saturn&#8217; was powered by a race-prepared flathead Mercury V-8 mated to a three speed transmission and two-speed Columbia rear axle. The stunning steel coachwork was entirely hand-fabricated from components from several different marques, resulting in a massive roadster body with a 7-foot-long hood, set-back ****pit, rear fins and a trunk-mounted spare.

The car made its first splash at the 1951 Minnesota Motorama, where it was voted 'Best All-Around Car,' a feat it repeated the following year at the same event. Other shows and awards followed, including television appearances, parades and other promotions, a high point coming when the car won the coveted &#8216;People&#8217;s Choice Award&#8221; at the 1954 Miami Motor World Fair. In fact, the &#8216;Templeton Saturn&#8217;s&#8217; career stretched well into the 1970s, but it was on the show circuit that it came to the attention of entertainer Bob Hope, who it is said expressed an interest in using the car in an upcoming movie.

The &#8216;Saturn&#8217; was sent to Los Angeles at Hope&#8217;s invitation and, while its movie career never took off, it was often seen being driven around Hollywood by Hope, whose affinity for the car led to its being nicknamed &#8216;The Bob Hope Special.&#8217;

Upon his passing Lloyd Templeton&#8217;s famous creation was willed to his church. A year later it was purchased by one of his sons, who then sold it to its third owner, who restored it to its original show-winning state. It remains in marvelous condition today, complete with its original flathead Merc engine and accompanying records and photographs, including shots of Bob Hope posing with his favorite car, the Templeton Saturn.

More Pics;

http://sbctango.activeboard.com/forum.spark?aBID=133200&p=3&topicID=39851183

 

Bob Hope Golf Cart built by George Barris. I couldn't resist. LOL

 

chrisp, I had some trouble tracking down the article I was looking for. This is an interesting read from Scientific American 1896 -

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/24323/24323-h/24323-h.htm

(Virtually the same article, but not as well presented

http://chestofbooks.com/crafts/scientific-american/sup7/The-De-Dion-And-Bouton-Road-Motor.html )