i wanna go fast! 1954 International

Whats the HAMB deal!?

Ive had my 54 International R110 for almost 3 months now and its slowly looking better and better each weekend. But i would now like to get the most out of my stock straight six 220. Anyone familiar with performance parts that i could use for my stocker? Carb, manifold,internals etc... Let me know, and thanks in advance.

 

One thing you can do is get an adaptor to replace the singel barrel carb with a two barrel Holley-Weber (the Holley 5200 is made under license copy of Weber 32-36) and figure out the linkage. It's the favourite replacement for a lot of inline six engines including Jeep, so the adaptors are easy to find. You can also replace the points with a Pertronix electronic ignition kit. I'm working on building a header for my 240 straight six, but it's going to take some time-if you have access to metal and a welding torch, you could build your own. There doesn't seem to be much if anything available aftermarket.
Chris

 

Thanks chris i appreciate the response, i will look into the adapter and pertronix.

 

I got a Holley/Weber here that is probably doable for you so don't spend an arm and a leg for one.

But I have to make this statement just because you are there. Go Fast and inline 6 in the same sentence is an Oxy-Moron.

Edit: this is not spam its an offer of apoyo

 

get an adaptor,and drop a hemi in it

 

We always swapped in late-'50's Mopar rear ends to get higher cruise speeds. Those Int 6's don't do the high RPM thing well! But you won't believe the exhaust note with a straight pipe. Never put a split manifold on one, but it will sound awesome.
I had an adapter that put a 94 Holley on mine. More power, but never could dial in the jetting.
I had a hi-compression 220 in a pickup, it had pop-up pistons, blew a piston and had to send to Zollner in Texas for the last one they had.
A 264 engine is a bolt-in, lots more power than a 220. Look in '60's farm trucks, there's lots of them out there.

 

What Gary said!

 

Well how much pal? and sorry for the Talladega nights quote.

 

I did think of swapping the rear, but money is tight and it looks like im stuck with the stocker for now. What type of 60s farm trucks?

 

Ellis used to make an intake for the old binder 6 and I think some of the cam manufacturers used to have a grind or two also.

 

No need for apologies we're good.

PM me on the carb. Its not going to cost much to ship it.

The IH 304 (circa about '68) is a good motor also. But you'll end up with two more cylinders that you don't know what to do with.

 

What about milling the head for more compression and a mild port job? I am doing a mild port job on my 304 V8 heads. The heads were milled .020.

 

For the amount of money screwing around trying to make that International Antique motor run fast, you should drop a nice small block, Ford, Chevy, Dodge, between the frame rails. Matter of fact, find yourself a nice donor vehicle where you'd get the motor, transmission, rear end.
My 2 cents worth. I've never seen a go fast 6 cyclinder International. One last thing that comes to mind. Inline 300 six Ford motors with fuel injection run real good. Ford powered a lot of vans and pickups with that combination.

 

Backyard turbo is the only other option - never played with one, but I've heard those can be cheap if you know what you're doing. They mostly depend on your fabrication skills for the plumbing, and getting the right sized turbo cheap at a junkyard. (Avoid the cheap ebay kits, you want mild steel not stainless or chrome plate.)

 

The 6 will run forever, but it won't do it fast. IH built trucks. Haul heavy loads trucks. Low geared, pull a house off of the foundation trucks.
As mentioned, you will spend money and get very little in tangible returns.

Save your money and start looking for a wrecked donor car/truck.

.

 

Awesome!

Funny this thread gets started today. I'm pulling my 53 IH SD240 out and mocking up my next project. I have some need for speed out of this lump of iron too.

Carry on!

 

i have adapted a chevy 6 cyl HEI distributer to the international,makes it run better than it ever did with points!

 

As a matter of fact, i ran across this on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Turb...itemZ200559132789QQptZOtherQ5fVehicleQ5fParts
But i am unfamiliar with turbos and not sure if it would even work. Anyone know for sure?

 

GaryB....That's funny! My brother and I put a Hemi in a '51 Int in the '60's. Fun lil' toy!

 

Pretty much any turbo will work. It's a matter of how well it works that you need to spend some time with.

Knowing the displacement and cam profile as well as the RPM range and horse power level you want will help you a ton when it comes to selecting some really right parts.

http://www.turbofast.com.au/javacalc.html

That is a great place to start!

 

Just a quick calc, 3.6 liters of engine and 12 pounds of boost out of a Garrett GT25 could net you close to 300 HP!

Reality, not quite but you start to get the idea.

 

Let's see, you have a stock 54 binder with a stock 220 and you want to go fast but not spend any money? First off, you will NEVER go fast with that engine, ever. Drop a V8 in it and be done with it. A decent running small block drivetrain will cost less than engine mods to an engine that was never designed to make any speed.

 

And then there are some of us that can't take the easy way or follow along with the crowd.



Re-read your Tesla quote

 

Is that a 220 IHC in the photo above? The head looks similar to a 235 Chevy .The Bore is the same as the Chevy ,the stroke a little less.Should respond to tuning like a 235,maybe 150 hp with a reground cam,some more compression,carbs and a header.

 

Looks very similar to the Stovebolt, just bigger physically.

Looking for 300+ with some un-natural aspiration.

This isn't a daily driver

 

I gotta buddy who had a 55 shortbox. He yanked the old stock engine [Green diamond?] and replaced it with a "black diamond" engine from a big school bus....more cubes. He also went with a narrowed 12 bolt, rebuilt the original 4 speed, fab'd rear rails with a kick, tubs and a moostang front end. Spent MONTHS blocking and sanding and painted it super-gloss black. It was cool!

 

One major difference between the IHC six and the Chev/GMC six is the exhaust and intake ports are on the opposite side of the engine - passenger side of the IH, driver side of the Chev/GMC.
If you want to find a BD264/BG265 you might be more likely to find them in a one-ton or bigger IH truck, although I've heard of them in the half and three-quarter ton trucks as well.
Chris

 

What ever you do to a 6 clyinder Inter motor it will not return big gains. Their strenght is also their downfall - Long stroke and I mean long. It allows great production of torque but no rev's so as to speak. If you raise compression and cam the engine up (which I have done) you see improvements but unless you keep the rev'd own under 3500 rpm your piston speed is too high and you will burn the pistons, rings and bore out prematurely. Great engines to lug low down and stay lugging however road speed needs to be determined more by diff ratio than engine speed. They sound fussy at higher revs and rightfully so - all the rods do is get a whopping as the rev's lift. And they are thirsty too - I was going to adapt a 2 barrel Weber onto a 2 barrell 281 manifold on a 240 once however the rest of the mods did not show enough improvement to keep spending money on the machining and time. Don't get me wrong - these engines are built well - but as 73RR said - they are truck motors and need to be viewed that way. Turbo'ing one will deem a lift in rev's and the engine will run - but not last.
Downunder they used to install an Australian 245/265 6 cylinder hemi engine into these and sell them as Dodge's - better road speed and more suitable for open road because the engine was built to do that type of running

 

www.staabmachine.com

I'm going to get them to help me with my 220 silver diamond six. The SD (silver diamonds) are very similar to the IH 460 tractor engines, and in fact the tractor pullers prefer to use the SD heads on them. They build these up with stock blocks close to 400 cubes and make them spin 6000+ rpm reliably under load that no 1/2 truck is going to have. Turbocharging them is very popular. Murphy's Motor Service even has roller rockers for the stock heads and I believe that billet aluminum heads are available. Is it doeable? You bet it is!

jn6047

 

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