Clueless Buyers with cash, Firm means Firm

After reading all the posts here, it simply boils own to the definition of FIRM. What a waste of bandwidth.

 

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"Not subject to change; fixed and definite"

 

If the seller isn't specific about the price and other terms of the sale, is it the fault of the buyer? Old saying.... "Say what you mean, mean what you say".

 

THANK YOU, Exactly my point.

 

I looked at a car that had a "FIRM" price. After determining the car wasn't worth the price, I mention that so as not to insult his "FIRM" price feeling out his stand. No response of what will you offer so I walked away. Found out later he sold it for 10K less. Was willing to have paid 5K less than asking price. Who got screwed?

 

Firm means firm but, everybody wants to think they got "a deal" so you ask for $37K firm & maybe you get it. OR you can afford to drop it to the 35K you really wanted letting the buyer think he got a deal.

 

arrogant.

 

If a deal is made, stick to it. He knew the minute he looked at the ad that your price was firm. Him assuming that you would take anything less was him just being arrogant. I cant even imagine you two working out the moving arrangements and him then telling you what you were going to take. (Shaking my head )

 

For me it's pretty simple. If a price is firm and I don't think it's worth it to me, I'll walk away and not waste anyone's time. If it says OBO and is in the ballpark on price, I'll talk to the owner about what I'd pay.
Larry T

 

I guess his search isn't over after all. Too bad he tried to pull this crap but you deserve a round of applause for holding the line on this cheap bastard.

 

Had almost the same thing happen...absolutely amazed me. I live about 50 miles north of Detroit here in Michigan. Had a guy from Kentucky come to buy my '53 AD...he had bartered for a very reasonable agreed-to price for a super-solid truck, I might add. I sent him approx. 200 pics, and we spoke extensively on the phone.

But when he and his buddy showed up with the trailor, the very first thing outa his mouth after "hello", was "So what's the least you'll take?" And then they both started nit-picking the truck...really small bs stuff.

I didn't even answer...just started puttin' shit away. They left with nothin'.

 

i took off after work last Saturday from Charleston SC to go look at two O/T vehicles, one in Georgia, the other near TAMPA for chrissakes.... had the purchase money in hand and then some. ended up staying in a fleabag hotel all the way in Fowler because everybody and their neighbor's dog was in Florida that weekend.... anyway; checked out the first one in Georgia, took notes, and told those folks i would let them know Sunday after i checked out the OTHER one.... the seller near Tampa had a POS he was trying to offload and knew it. the folks in Georgia got a long, appreciative e-mail Sunday night after a whole day of driving home to be at work Monday, and are holding their vehicle for me.
i never said a word about asking them to take less and they mentioned it before i looked at the vehicle. variables are always there; your opinion of what your price is should take into account ANYTHING the buyer might see as deficient in the car.
i could have worked with the Tampa sale and made it worth my while; but the attitude of the seller and the condition of the vehicle said otherwise.

 

If I respond to a car ad and it doesn"t say price is firm I always ask the bottom dollar price and take that much when I go see it.If the ad says price is firm and I want it I take that much with me.The mentallity of the general pubic these days is money talks.If I agree on a price over the phone I ain"t open to offers,bullshit can just walk.Even had my wife ask me why I have turned down buyers pulling that crap.

 

hmmm, lets see here, you couldn`t originally sell the car for 35k, you put another 7 into it, and think you are gonna get a quick sell at 35k and wouldn`t take 33K........good luck......enjoy that car for a while.......and called the guy just trying to get the best deal for himself an ahole.....sheesh....everyone thinks there stuff is gold.......you can say FIRM all day, and all it is is a word, and you can`t do anything about it, cept enjoy your car, and maybe never sell it........you otta stick to building them and not selling them......

 

...should have told him to have a safe drive home ...and kicked him in the ass on his way out!

 

I guess several of you wouldn't like dealing with me. If I'm looking for something I'm willing to pay $500 for and it's priced at $501 I won't even stop to look. If I have something for that same $500 and you have $499.99 you better look around on the ground for another penny. Some people are just not into price haggling and I'm one of them. While all this time is being wasted I can actually be getting something done and bragging about a good deal doesn't mean shit to me. My best friend loves to haggle and would rather do so than eat but others like myself consider it time wasted even if it saves a few bucks. Money comes and goes but every tick of the clock is gone from your life forever.

 

When you make comments like this without reading the original thread and getting the facts straight, it makes me think you are blank like your profile and grammar.

 

This is spot-on. That "buyer" did just what almost every bit of advice on these threads advises, you just got the shoe on the other foot. I wouldn't have driven five hours to take a chance on it, and I wouldn't have sold it to him,either. But, he tried-probably read the HAMB before he left.

Net result, he didn't get his car, and I am betting you didn't get yours since you didn't make the sale. Not many hot-rods sell for what we have in them,certainly not if you count your "sweat equity". Whether he had the money or not, you thought it was worth 35, he thought it was worth 33. A difference of opinion-nobody won.

 

Geez, Roddin Shack is an angry guy.

 

Actually I am quite happy. I am just waiting killing time on the HAMB before I leave for COBO hall in Detroit to see all the Riddler contenders this weekend.

 

Slightly off the topic:

Why do buyers say "I have cash!"

Do they think the seller is taking "green stamps" or bottle tops?

 

Wow, hard to believe anyone is surprised, or upset that the guy offered $33k on a 'firm' price of 35K!

So, you all ALWAYS pay the firm minimum price? You NEVER try and dicker, because the price says 'firm'? None of you have ever seen an advertised "firm" price drop weekly?

Ummm, respectfully, I must call B.S,! The dickering, haggling, etc., is as much fun as the build, often times. JMHO

 

Depending on your situatron, 33 cash may be far preferable to 35 in check form.
But if you are already selling at a loss this probably makes no sense to you.

 

If someone tells me they have cash I take it as a sign that they have the money and they do not need to go to a bank-wife -mother inlaw to get it.
You sellers need to get over your selfs. RLS

 

33 makes no sense in any form when the price is 35. He also wanted to include the 500. negotiated to trailer it to his place 5 hours away.

 

newsomtravis threw an insult at Roddin Shack and Roddin Shack responded in kind. Doesn't come off as anger to me.

 

Yep, it made no sense to you.
I guess I never went to the "Buy high sell low" school of finance...

 

This and one other recent thread really illustrate that the DOUBLE STANDARD is alive and well! Typical of "bitching" threads, as most of the posters jump in to say how tough they are too and slapping the poster on the back, or criticizing his weakness, "'cause if that had happened to me I'd have blah, blah, blah"

Bullshit on all of this armchair quarterbacking. No one could count the number of posters who say exactly the opposite when "coaching" some guy who says he found this (name the item here) and the guy is asking $$$$ (name the price here) and the everybody says "offer him this...and take cash etc, etc, etc..

There are various injustices in the world that kinda piss me off, but the one that really gets me going is the double standard. Who among you hasn't EVER offered someone less than their asking price for whatever they were offering for sale?

The only thing wrong with attempting to negotiate is in how one goes about it. If you are a dumbass and insult the seller then you deserve to be shown the door. But merely trying to politely determine if there is a lower price available is in no way immoral, unethical or insulting IMO.

Ray

 

Negotiation is the art of making a deal. It doesn't matter if it is a car, a house, a quart of milk, or a share of IBM stock. Something is only "worth" what someone else is willing to pay for it at a given point in time. I sympathize with the OP only because the buyer screwed up and wasted alot of everyone's time because he didn't know how to negotiate against a "firm" price.
Lots of Sellers say "Firm" and end up dropping the price anyway, because the Buyer sold them on a new price, usually as a result of new information like highlighted defects. Sometimes Sellers say "firm" because that's how much money they need and not because of the value of the item being sold. Sometimes they say "firm" because they don't want to play games, but saying "firm" is a game strategy unto itself.

Things don't sell themselves. Just by saying "firm" doesn't automatically mean that a buyer is going to "surrender" and you emerge victorious. The buyer walks away thinking they paid top-dollar (and they did, because the price was the seller's top-dollar). The give-and-take of negotiation lets both the buyer and seller believe that they won and each walks away satisfied. They both say "I sure got one over on him".

 

I had it happen to me in January. A guy came to look at my 50 Merc and I stuck firm to my price as advertised on kijiji. We came to a deal and then he spotted my 62 pontiac, then he spotted my 89 camaro and then my boat. He wanted them all so we came to a fair price as a package deal. He dropped 5K cash as a deposit and would bring a bank draft for the balance in a couple of days. He did come back with the draft but it was 1500.00 short. Iasked him what the wtf is up with that and said that was all he could come up with. I then said thanks the deal is off and escorted him to the door and by the way the deposit is non refunadable. He turned ten shades of red and proceeded to pull an envolope out of his pocket with an undiclosed amount of cash. He paid me what he owed me and the deal was done He then spotted a rebuilt small block and a 700r in the corner of my shop and the sob pulled out another 3k cash for it. He was to come back and pick up the small block and the boat a couple of days later. I still have the boat and the small block and have not heard from this guy since and I can not get hold of him either. I still have the ownership for the boat and there was no bill of sale for any of the purchases. Now how f____ed up is this story. I know how you feel Roddin Shack