Projects Giant speedster project

Muffler

I welded like mad today and finally got the monster finished and mounted about 3 PM. It's very quiet--until you rev it up. I'd have thought it would take something more to quiet it down. The engine makes quite a lot on clicking and whirring and stuff so it's not exactly silent. I wrapped one of the pipes in fiberglass cloth just to see what it looked like. I'm not going to clean up the welds until I dismount it for painting. On to something else. Maybe the front apron.

Jerry
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Nice work Jerry! I look forward to you next video showcasing the 'Grave's improved sound. That has a REALLY great look to it, are you going to add a full length pipe to the muffler with a special tip or just leave it as is?

 

I like the wrapping. looking good

 

That really looks the part, Jerry! But I wouldn't go for the wrapping. Flat black would be spot-on.

 

Yeah, I dont think the wrapping looks right either.


Long time ago I used some sort of stove paint on an exhaust.

If I remember right you put it on with a rag, and then wiped the excess off.

It was almost black, but had a bit of a gray metallic sheen to it.

That might look really " right " on these pipes...

 

I could just put a turn out on the muffler but I once had Vette with side pipes that asphyxiated me every time I stopped for a light. I'll most likely install a long pipe that turns up and over the rear wheel ending in some kind of cool fishtail.

Jerry
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I want to hear it !

 

Forget the wrap, it doesn't look right on the car. Stove black, or have the entire system Jet-Hot coated in black or grey. The nose cone looks really nice on the collector BTW!

Brian

 

Jerry, great build, I argee forget the wrap

rj

 

Jerry,

I would agree with most that the wrap does not fit the look of the car. Much too responsible looking on a 1013 cubic inch display of wonderful irresponsibility! The pipe does need to go to the back as well.

In the close ups at least, the muffler helps fill the space under the car & really seems to make it look lower, the long pipe will help with that as well.

Take a look at "flynbrian48"s avatar & think fenders. Trailer fenders are very cost effective & could have the tails made to match the tail of the car. A substantial step plate/pipe hanger/heat shield would fit. Maybe even a two level step to help with the actual height.

An oil tank was often part of big cars of this styling era. A bomb like tank on the driver's side made to look like the muffler, only shorter & fatter, opposite the step plate would balance the look & help with the lowering. Functional or not, some copper lines & a brass hand pump on the cowl would look great.

Isn't it great to think up a lot of work for someone else to do?

Jack

 

I like the idea of a fishtail, though it might be too big in proportion to the car if it is in the correct proportion to the exhaust pipe. Fishtails were really typical of the era directly after the idiom of this car, that is, after Pomeroy's small-engine revolution reduced the size of exhaust pipes.

As regards fenders, here's a drawing I did some years ago of a similar "Edwardian Monstrosity":

This one was intended to be powered by a diesel out of a heavy truck, though. The wheels are modern big-inch alloys painted and pinstriped in the Edwardian way. On this one I only used front fenders, as was often the case on road racers, as they needed front fenders to keep mud off the driver and riding mechanic; but the drawing gives a possible approach for the shape and type of construction. It's flat sheetmetal with a wire-beaded edge, no compound curves even though the shape flares quite dramatically. The top surfaces would be pinstriped. The bracketry is prominent underneath.

I'd do rear fenders in the same plane, not flared, with a large-radius kick-up at the trailing edge, starting just after the top of the crown and continuing a good tyre diameter rearwards.

 

I was thinking along the same lines however instead of using sheetmetal they could easily be made out of plywood and varnished.

 

That's it, no wrap. It would have been a pain anyway. Fenders? I'm still leaning toward those Leno/Bentley fenders. (But not sure I can build them) Or maybe fenders like on Ned Ludd's cool picture. Plywood? Better not. The oil tank I like.

Okay, so today I've working on something super secret. You're either gonna love it or hate it. I've got to keep it a secret until tomorrow because it's not quite done--or at least mostly done. It's got to be complete (mostly) so you get the full effect. And that's all I got to say about that. Working on video too. You've got to hear the new muffler. Also, I've got to test the brake mods. The weather is supposed to be good by the weekend.

Jerry

 

Secret? I'm so excited!

 

I don't believe you.

 

Cupholders?

 

We're all waiting with baited breath...(had sardines for dinner)

 

Nitrous???

 

secret
for how long

gosh thats funny

l looked thru a antique farm tractor web site recently seems ther are plenty of fender options ready made and cheap from the tractor scrap guys

 

Jerry,

Here's an idea for the headers, paint them flat black. Them make covers from larger tubing, either chromed or polished stainless. Kind of like motorcycles. I think this would brighten up the side and have that classic look. I made a quick drawing.

Just an idea, what do you think, rj

 

A secret? Lemme guess, you're building dual overhead cam turn signals. No?

 

Blower...........??


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I agree with you and all who have agreed not to use the wrap. Back in the day the pipes would have been left raw, so no Jet Hot, either. I don't think a car like this would have had the exhaust porcelain covered, either.

Stove polish can give you the right mix of protection and appearance and still look 'raw'. Or maybe something different, like gun bluing. For gun blue, occasionally wipe the warm pipes with an oily rag and you will get nice odors when it gets hot plus the bluing and oil will nicely season the pipes.

The spring idea for the exhaust connector is good; not sure if you are past that decision.

I doubt that the pipes would have been covered with chrome shielding back in the day. That's a Harley thing. But they did use heat shields, maybe even wire lathe - I am not sure if you want your Speedster to look Pebble Beach or as if it just ran the Vanderbilt. My taste is more towards the latter, but that's me.

 

Front Apron

A little history. Unlike American Lafrance--which has a normal and very cool chassis--the Seagrave has a u-channel chassis, very strong but kinda ugly. It also has tons of holes in it where various doo dads bolted on. I realized early on that I had to cover the frame like most cars of the 20's. The problem was how to kill the frame cover at the front horns. I puzzled on various ways to do this but nothing satisfied me and I resolved the only way to do it right was to make a full apron. So there you have it. The apron is only partly done, of course, no sides or front yet. You really need to see it joined in with the frame covers topped by a walnut plank under the hood side panels. Whaddya think?

Jerry
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It's going to be beautiful!

 

Nicely done...that car is going to be amazing! The thing just radiates vintage elegance.

 

Nailed it!

 

Jerry,

Great addition to the front end!

Check out this eBay listing - these people might be able to help with the wheel treatment. Their price seems reasonable for a set of T covers.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mode...r_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item588a29010d

Jack

 

Yeah, those are pretty cool.

Brian

 

what was wrong with fenders that came with it ?


slight mods ,narrow lengthen , add skirts and they bolt on




i like your front apron

where will the driving /fog lite go?
feel let down now the surprise is over ..
do something else and tease us again..