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FLATCAD RACING Bonneville 2011 Build

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by 38FLATTIE, Jul 27, 2010.

  1. jfrolka
    Joined: Oct 4, 2007
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    What kinda cl*** could I run my injected 548" bbchevy on gas in?
     

  2. That FED? AA/GL "Gas lakester".
     
  3. jfrolka
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    If I took it out of the FED and ran it say in a tube frame 32 roadster... can I get into 200 mph club with its 950 hp on gas?
     
  4. Order a rulebook and log into the message board at www.landracing.com
     
  5. jfrolka
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    Gracias
     
  6. WZ JUNK
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    No.
     
  7. To expand on John/WZ JUNKs reply, there is more to it than going 200+. Check out the link, the search function over there should answer most of your questions. They also host a Tues night chat, 7PM MTN
     
  8. 38FLATTIE
    Joined: Oct 26, 2008
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    :D:cool: THANKS POPS29!:cool::D


    Look what Pops29 sent me! These are very cool, and HUGE laser cuttings - 24"X32"

    Don, You do amazing work, and I am deeply in your debt!:cool:

    Guys, if you need any laser cutting and/or machine work, you need to call Don. If you have any doubts, just look at the quality of these pieces.
     

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  9. Damn Don and Buddy: I want one of those of the car . . . just tell me how much and when -- I'm in line with a credit card! I can just see that on my shop wall.
     
  10. pops29
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    Hi buddy.

    You owe me nothing !! I am just honored to be part of the team.
     
  11. roseville carl
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    Damn Pops that looks killer. Are you gonna be at Eagle Field this May? May wanna talk to you about some work.......Bumps and Bruises Racing.....
     
  12. pops29
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    Thanks Yes I plan on being there
     
  13. 38FLATTIE
    Joined: Oct 26, 2008
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    FLATCAD PART DEUX!

    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT]Ok, Pete1 and I have a little teaser here for you:
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    All I can say is, Pete's car in the pic, fuel, blower, 12 port Skinner, and GMC 6!:D

    Look for the build thread after Speedweek!
     

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  14. roseville carl
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    Like to see more of this!
     
  15. 38FLATTIE
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    Carl, my friend, I can tell you this. It will be done in the style of the 265 Kugel , Kenz and Leslie and the Sadd,Teague,Bently roadsters!:cool:
     

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  16. roseville carl
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    That really sounds cool Buddy, besides a good flattie I love the sound of 12ports singing in the breeze.
    By the way am down in Phoenix at my grandsons and he loves the Flat Cad shirt and poster. We will see you on the salt!!!!!!!! He's excited.......
     
  17. Dale's Birthday Post . . . As I hit the grand ole' age of 52!

    Okay Guys: Really got into the FlatCAD and figuring out my porting methodology. Never ported one of these beasts - so one has to kind of figure it out as you go . . . to kind of learn what the damn thing is all about.

    My wife decided to become a sponsor of the FlatCAD team - and bought me a professional Sonic Tester (is she one cool chick or what!). I've never used one for ports before, but it is cool as hell -- has small probes that fit right down in there. I did a bunch of calibration on it and tests on different areas of the block - seems to be accurate to about .010 to .020 . . . good enough for me.

    Now, I must tell you, the sonic tester has made me a bit more "brave" than I would have been, but I'm still being conservative (as I just don't trust it enough as of yet). Also, I really need to get this done and not waste an excellent block . . . hopefully the 'Porting Gods' will be with me :rolleyes:

    I did a ton of measurements while I was porting . . . the thinnest areas are now about .125 or so -- which is about as thin as I'm going to go for now. It is more important to get this engine on the salt and LEARN a bit . . . than it is to get every last HP out of it. So, I'm being a bit conservative - or maybe the term is "Chicken ****"!

    With that said, I believe I've done enough work on this intake to flow pretty well.

    The FlatCAD's intake ports can be ported to a much bigger size than a Flathead Ford, and we can easily run a 1.94 valve. With that said, I believe the intake is "port constricted", not valve constricted. The area that I really decided to work on was the area where the port turns. The stock port is really choked down in this area -- big *** piece of guide boss and other **** in the way. Just a poor design for flow -- so let's "fix it"!

    So - I let the cast iron fly . . . stopping to check progress with the sonic tester along the way.

    Anyway - here is a stock FlatCAD intake port -- notice how constricted it is in the bottom area by the guide (where it makes the turn) . . . this to me is the most important area to work on:

    IntakePortStockBowl.jpg

    Okay - here is a finished port - much better . . . actually pretty good except for the turn it has to make (like all flatheads).

    IntakePortBowl1.jpg

    IntakePortBowl2.jpg

    Here is the top of the port - manifold side. I didn't go hog wild here, as I don't think it will make a damn bit of difference . . . it is much more important to work the bottom of the port and the turn area.

    IntakeManifoldSide1.jpg

    IntakeManifoldSide2.jpg

    This port isn't actually done yet - have more work on the manifold side and once we put larger valves in it, will go back and blend the bowls once again - but I'm happy where it has come . . . though it takes a LOT of time to port this ****er (bigger job than I thought).

    Do I know what the hell I'm doing on this strange *** block - nope - but we'll learn and hopefully make some decent horsepower along the way.

    The only pisser about these engines is that there are really THREE different intake port designs . . . different lengths, different angles, I'm sure different flow potential. So - one has to kind of re-learn on every port, taking a lot of sonic test measurements along the way. Will be interesting to see how they compare on casting thickness. Makes it all the more difficult - ******** FlatCAD Medusa ***** that she is :eek:

    I don't have a flow bench and/or infinite time . . . we'll let the BLOWER solve the majority of our "port problems" - I'm just helping out a bit! :D
     
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  18. 38FLATTIE
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    Happy Birthday Dale!:cool:


    Hey OLD MAN, You must be a real mutha- isn't this Mothers Day? Lol! It's Ok, I turn 48 next Friday the 13th!

    That porting looks real good! You sure have your hands full, though- That's a MAJOR job.

    I can't wait to see what the dyno, then the Great White Dyno, tell us about this mill!

     
  19. Should have known that the both of us goofy *******s are both BULLs -- go figure :eek:
     
  20. keeper
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    Count me in too, May 5th!
     
  21. fiftyv8
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    Happy birthday in advance to two of my good flathead Cadillac buddies on the HAMB.
    Best wishes Keeper and 38Flattie.
    Russ.
     
  22. roseville carl
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    Damn must be a Taurus thing this love for flatties.........May 15 here......
    Course it could be we are just stubborn.
     
  23. Stubborn, obstinate, thick headed, opinionated . . . BUT when we're after something, we stick to our guns and keep pushing forward - in a 'bullish' sort of way!

    Looks like we're all afflicted with the same disease :rolleyes:
     
  24. Flat Roy
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    Dale
    Happy Birthday youngster. Sounds like you have all of the qualifications for and are diligently working your way to OLD GIESER status
     
  25. X2 on all of this. I wish my Y shirts were as cool as the Flat Cad shirt, I wear mine all the time. I had it on at a BBQ this weekend and had a lot of questions about what Flat Cad ment. See you on the salt.
     
  26. fenderless
    Joined: Mar 31, 2006
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    Happy Birthday Dale, sorry maybe to late!

    The porting looks excelent:):):)!
    This thing is really gona fly over the salt:D!

    ...............................
    Taildragger&fenderless
     
  27. Thanks to everyone for the birthday well wishes . . . means a lot to me :D

    Sometimes the younger folks give me all kinds of **** like "I can't believe you're 52!" . . . or "What's it feel like getting older and having another birthday - yuck, yuck, yuck . . .".

    I tell them . . . "Getting older beats the **** out of the alternative . . . ". Some don't quite get what that means -- hopefully they live long enough to figure it out :rolleyes:
     
  28. Bert Kollar
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    This is the best build I've read about since I started reading the little books in 1954. A guy a little older than me then had a LaSalle coupe with a flat Cad in High School. I tried to buy it for years, no luck. I love building engines. Not of this caliber but mine run great and hold up just fine. I wish I was closer to any of you volunteers so I could lend a helping hand. The spirit behind this project is heart warming to say the least. I just had cataract surgery today and read the entire post with one eye. It was truly enjoyable. And Dale, nothing has been boring or tedious in what you write. I went through the DoAll school of surface grinding and "FELT' every p*** you made. I would love to be at B'Ville with all of you guys and will consider it if my next eye operation ( a little more complicated) goes well which I have no doubts about. Meanwhile I will follow the project, pray to the Hot Rod Gods, Salt Flat Gods, Luck Gods, and Budddy's wife that all goes well. What an inspiring story. I truly hope that the volunteers keep stepping up and maybe one of them will offer financial help
     
  29. pops29
    Joined: Jun 4, 2007
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    from turlock ca


    HAPPY BIRTHDAY!! DALE I will have one on it's way to you for your B_Day
     
  30. Don, you sure as heck didn't need to do this . . . but I really do appreciate it and it will be on the wall of my engine room workshop area.

    Way Cool by Me!

    B&S
     

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