antique volvo hot rod?

Sorry for the late reply, actually I bought the car in Den Haag. I live @ Nijmegen and the whole drivetrain is one big mess! I can see thru it!
Brakes should be refurbised and some welding should be done to the crossmembers and then we're off for the APK!!! (APK is sort of MOT in the Netherlands)
Car is going to have wide steel wheels and will be sprayed satin dark grey (satin black is so 2010)

 

Nice licens plate number

 

I have a very nice "Duett" frame hanging in the garage that needs a new home under some one's hotrod! The frame is in very good condition, sand blasted, primed, and painted. Do you need this?? e-mail me at --------hellerods@yahoo.com

 

The plate is cool , but the girl is a KNOCKOUT !!

 

Here is mine 122 that has

-adjusteble gas shocks
-progressive lowering springs
-8" widenedn rims
-racingmirrors
-140GT gauges
-Grant wood stering wheel


-2150cc engine
-Headers
-2.5" exos systems
-2" SU from rover
-elektronik ignition
-BIG valves
-skimmed head
-TIMO camshaft
-Riviera velocity stacks

 

^^^^^ Very cool...

 

Very nice Nikkke, is this your daily driver?? where is a pic of the beatiful girl in the front of the car??

 

Those are cool.

 

That TA does not appear to be chopped.

 

Quite smiple swap use the oilpan and oilpump from b20
and the bellhousing from the amazon so you get the
engine straigt up. Dont need to cut the firewall
use the b20 clutchplate and just fab engine mounts
no space to use the fan on the engine.I use mine
witout a fan and it works fine ...but here is allways
so damned cold. Some b20 oilpans you have to short
the sump about 1/2 inch in the front

 

anyone on here stuffed a v8 in an Amazon or a PV444/544?

Just interested in seeing how people tackle it, v6's interest me too...

 

maybe you have, but you should drive one with the banger and SUs first, or weber side drafts before you consider an engine swap.
its a beast of a tractor motor
if i had one i would not have the heart to tear the banger out. that engine also holds the wold mileage record.
you can make them plenty fast,
and they handle too.
if you are wanting better/more gearing there are adapters available for the T5,
i will go put and offer a warning, DO NOT GET IT FROM JOHN PARKER'S V-PERFORMANCE. lhis site is fancy, but just look up his name on the volvo forums, or pm me for my experience.

lots of speed parts available for these cars, check out folkracing, some of em can move.

here is some encouragement

check out this period car, i totally dig it. when is the last time you saw something like that

http://www.flickr.com/photos/81918828@N00/5440908508/in/faves-22734972@N05/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/81918828@N00/5440908512/sizes/l/in/faves-22734972@N05/

and here proof you should consider keeping the banger

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Uh4JtweRiA

lotus exige gets a whoopin
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QD3P5edIBFI



not a 120 or a pv, but same engine, so you get the idea of what it looks like with a finned cover and webers.


as you can probably guess, i feel the mini mercs are a waste of a perfectly good volvo. i love sleds, but not sleds made of volvos.

that to me is like hacking a good original 32 ford.
each his own, each his own, but it just breaks my heart when its done with a good rust free original car, and a good amazon at that.

and if you have to do a swap, you can also swap in the later redblocks. not really hamb material but there are some 16 valve turbo amazons out there.

thats all before i scare everyone off.

 

I get you. But you can't compare it to any 30's vehicle, the Amazons (121,122,222 etc.) were made in MUCH MUCH greater numbers.

My coupe is getting a Ford 302 with an AOD for now and a T5 once I source a good one. The banger is a great little motor BUT you have to put serious money into it, real serious money. Money I'd rather spend on something else.

In addition, when building a car, I'm very fond of the 'major driveline, minimal looks' alteration school of thought. I've only lightly dechromed it and dropped, other than that the v8 goes in and job done.

And maybe the two most important things are torque and sound, the 4 banger will never come close to producing either as well as a v8 and on the street torque matters. Those video's are of rally's, whole different animal from the tires up...

 

I have this one as my daily driver.
It´s a station wagon converted to 2d delivery. Driveline is 2,4dtic 6-cylinder engine + m46 overdrive gear box + limited slip. I love to drive it!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28836346@N03/5936660590/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28836346@N03/5936103043/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28836346@N03/5936660620/

 

that's wicked! nice clean install!

 

It might not be hamb-material but a cool ride. I can´t take the credits of the build, but the guy who build this one is really talented. You should see his newest Volvo 1800s. That´s something..

 

Scuby,

What if you could get the Torque and Hp. of a V8 in a banger amd save a couple of hundred Lbs. in the process.

The only thing that you want that you wouldn't get would be the sound.

I know that So. California isn't the Netherlands so getting the base engine and the performance parts would be problematic from the shipping standpoint.

I have purchased everything I needed on ebay to build a Big Block 4 cylinder Torquer that produces 225Hp. and about 250/275 Ft/Lbs of Torque in a package that weighs about 300 Lbs.

The basis for my build is the 470 Mercruiser Inboard out drive engine developed and manufactured by Mercury Marine between 1976 and about 1987.

This engine used a diecast aluminum block that weighs just 75Lbs bare.

Mercury Marine used a cast Iron 460 Ford head, rods, aluminum pistons and 351 Cleveland main bearings.

Mercury Marine used their own Crank and Camshafts, alternators and water pumps.

The engine as installed in a boat is unnecessarily bulk but after removing the boat related items it shrinks considerably making it about the same length as a V8 but considerably narrower.

The modifications necesary to make these engines work in the cars I want to put them in are pretty simple.

Replace the cast iron Ford head with a Performance aluminum head.

Replace the harmonic balancer alternator with a regular alternator.

Remove and replace the camshaft driven water pump with a belt driven or an electric water pump.

Replace the \

I intend to install one of these engines in a Volvo 544.

I know that I can get equal of greater Hp. out of a Volvo turbo 4 but only after great expense.

I also understand the simplicity of the 470 Mercruiser. It is a 4 cylinder carburated engine with a simple distributor alternator and waterpump.

No special wiring or plumbing. It will look like it was make for the Volvo.

The only concern I have is in it's length. I may have to cut the firewall or move the radiator forward.

If I have to move the radiator forward it will necessitate hinging the hood at the firewall and having a custom radiator made to fit just behind the grill.

The main advantage of this engine in the volvo rather than a V8 is the weight reduction.

I am going to install a WC T-5 overdrive transmission with a hydrolic slave cylinder behind it and will consider using some sort of independant rear suspension if I can find one that is narrow enough and will handle the torque.

I have a Mustang II front suspension that I might use in place of the 544 front suspension.

The advantages of the Mustang II suspension include the disk brakes and the availability of custom parts.

I don't intend to make a rally car out of it but rather a sleeper and a driver.

I think it will be fun to drive up beside a BMW or a Honda s2000 at a signal and dust them from the light.

A 2250 Lb Volvo with 225 Hp. should be fun. The 1947 Ford look of the Volvo 544 will aldd to the fun factor.

Dick

 

I can compare it to any 30s vehicle, because it was more of an emotional comparison it was meant more as an example of how i take it.
yes, there were a lot of them, but even so, good solid straight original rust free examples are really hard to find, and those that have them do not want to let them go. a lot of these got driven into the ground.
an old austalian ad for the 120 series was "drive it like you hate it" lol
good ones are rare in sweden due to folkrace and the like.

i guess i see it this way.
any car has a lot of built in strengths in a stock form from the factory.
one of the greatest things about the 120 is (well and most rwd volvos actually) it has a nearly perfect balance, thats what made it such a good rally/road race car.
putting in a v8 will alter that.
go out on a dirt road and really push it, they are killer.

sure you could modify it to handle well with the 8,
and the time and money you spent making it handle as well as it did with the 4, you could have made it handle KILLER with the four
it just seems like an insult to an already great car. its like someone putting a v8 in a MK2 escort, NO! NO! NO!!! and WHY?


you really do not have to put serious money into say a B18 to make it quicker.
no, it will never sound like a v8, and will not have the torque of one, but its not meant to.

you comment that "Those video's are of rally's, whole different animal from the tires up"
NO.
neither of those cars are really all "that" modified, it would not take that much to get a solid 122 to that point.

here is info on the car in the second vid. they talk about the build
http://www.volvoadventures.com/andrewwhite1.html

and here some on the group that did the car in the first vid, but im sure its pretty close to the specs on the targa car.
http://www.carlsonsmotorsport.se/page_1246561661692.html

its nice to know that guys like the chassis and looks enough that they want to go put their favorite eight in em, but give the 4 a chance, at least look into it. and for gods sake dont cut it up to make it look like a merc sled. it is not a merc.
i guess the mini merc thing bothers be for the same reason that volksrod trend bothers me, nobody really did it back in the day. i could care less how many vws you cut up they just look wrong to me
but, sorta like that one i posted above, any maner of 60s period mods could look killer on one, if you just have to cut cut cut, or whatever.

this is the hamb, and yes, i love v8s torque is important, and most 8s can sound good to most ears.

i guess what it boils down to is, if like you say "Torque and sound" are the two most important thing. you probably are going to stick an 8 in there nomater what.
i say, if "torque and sound" are the two most important factors in a car, you are working with the wrong darn car.

here i go being an asshole, but its my opinion that if torque and sound are the two most imortant things and the basis of your built you are a narrow minded crackpot and should not be touching cars.
sure your not an 8 year old?

dont take it personally, i am just defending what i like with my opinions, and at the same time being a bit of a dick about it.

old volvos do not get enough respect round these parts, so i have to stick up for em.

if you want something to put a v8 in, i'll trade you my 56
it actually already has an 8 in it
honestly, after i started into the volvos, i dont appreciate that car as much as i should, or used too, and someone should take it off my hands.

torque and sound, while they were more so when i was younger, are not nearly at the top of my automotive hierarchy of needs, but handling in some form is up there on it.
my 56 certainly has torque and sounds awesome, but it does not really handle and is not light on its feet like the volvos. yes, i know it did pikes peak with duntov at the wheel back when, and yes the tri 5s actually have quite good chassis balance, but it just does not give me what i can get elsewhere better, short of hacking it up. i do love it, it was my first non borrowed car, and DD for a long time, i am sure i will miss it, but honestly i would rather see somebody drive it away who appreciates it more at this point, than see someone put an 8 in another volvo.

sorry, i may have gone too far with my comments above, but do you see where i am coming from?

 

AMEN, to everything you posted, but this "I know that I can get equal of greater Hp. out of a Volvo turbo 4 but only after great expense"

plenty, and i mean PLENTY, have done this for literally pennies.
take the N/A volvo redblock (b21, b23F, b230F) and go pull the exhaust manifold (intercooler, if its there) turbo(if its decent) and piping of a turbo car.
90+ cars like the 940 have a better flowing exhaust manifold btw

and well, this may seem silly, but you slap all that on the na motor, and drill a return oil line.
instant junkyard high compression turbo motor.

personally, i would not have much faith in a junkyard turbo, and swap something else in. if you are cheap, look on turbobricks, people have used the crappy chinese ebay turbos with good results.

and yes, people have literally slapped these together without so much as pulling the head and have ran them reliable for years. the bottom end will take it up to a point depending on boost and its general condition.
it can work on the stock bosch engine controllers, but megasquirt works well and is cheap for engine management.

go look on turbobricks.com

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however, i cannot decide if turbos are hamb material or not.

anyway, you can make power with the volvo redblock for cheap.

 

Not much to throw in, but I´ve always cared about those Volvo´s alot. Our bunch of carguys (JALOPIES Motorclub) has all used the Volvo´s as a way to learn about old cars before buying some old american iron. We have all kind of them in the group, original, lowered, slammed, chopped, mild customs and even racecars.

Heres my latest:

 

love it, any specs?

 

Here´s the p1800s which I talked about. Don´t mind the "stock" outlook, but check the spec of the engine and see build pics:
B254T 496hv/595nm
http://kuvablogi.com/blog/951/8/

 

impressive build. clean.
you say b254T, i am not familiar with that one.
of course unless you mean basically a b230, with a 16 valve head and crank and pistons from a 2.5 penta, and turbo.
i guess that would make a b254T

 

You got it, in papers it´s still b230.

 

thsi si kool, but show us the others too, specially the slammed e chopped.

 

Impressive numbers. Are those at the crank or at the wheels? At what RPM?

I have a B274T that made 461HP / 508 ft/lbs by 5600 RPM at the wheels. At that point the clutch started slipping.

 

I´m quite sure it´s at the wheels, but don´t know details. The engine used to be in Volvo 121, before ending up into this p1800s.

 

not exactly my kinda thing, as i like them unchopped. but you guys might like it.

it doesent move around, i think he is just doing a routine pull it out and let it run for a bit for preservation of things ya know. sounds pretty good from what i can tell apart from the rattles

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and while again, not totaly hamb material, there is this
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http://www.hunchbackracing.se/

 

Many factors play into what people do with their rides. My three donor rides (67 sedan, 64 wagon and an 89 IROC Z-28) would have gone to the crusher if I had not picked them up. Many other people had an opportunity to acquire them, but did not. When the b-18 motor died I made choices. I'm a Swede and have run rally's etc and its fun but its no V8. Anyone can restore a ride but it takes a real man to cut one up ;-) Inner fenderwells, half the firewall and some of the floor will be cut up to "corn-hole" the IROC package into it. Just because that is what I always wanted and it is what I already have....

Mike

 

Nice thanks for posting