Bad news for owners of Brookville bodies

If you own a Brookville , rodbod, or any other reproduction body , start buying a car trailer, because it's going to be nearly impossible to register it and get plates for it. All owners of reproduction bodys must register their vehicles as a specialy constructed vehicles, this is a federaly mandated program and applies to all fifty states. If you registered your car as a original car , you are commiting fraude, and if caught, you can even recieve jail time. As a specially construted vehicle, the registration will read the year the car resembles and will also read year of manufacture, example ; 1932 ford, year of manufacture 2011, as being manufactured in 2011, it must meet safety and smog requirements of a vehicle manufactured in 2011.
On July 28 , the Air Resourse Board held a work shop meeting at El Monte Calif. Sema , GM, The Association of Calif. Car Clubs, The Over the hill gang and other street rod clubs were also present, Street Rodder, Rod and Custom and my friend Anna Marcos from Old School Rodz , The only member from the Traditional Car Club Association that was present was Ricky Tokeyeda from the Gear heads c.c. I was not able to get the day
off from work , so I was unable to assist the meeting.
The first problem is that California only provides 500 specialy constructed vehicle permits a year, these are gobbled up by the cobra kit car guys, as well as the reproduction camaroes and 57 chevys. The secound problem is that Sema's proposed bill that limited the millage in trade for a smog exemption was not accepted, The rep from G.M. offered his E-motor and stated that it only cost 2500.00 dlls, and meets the 2011 smog specs, the problem with this is that you have to use their fuel injection unit , the exshaust system and catalitic converter and engine accessories , by the time you buy this , the engine cost you 6500.00 dlls, and you are limited to useing that engine and not one of your choice . Also you have to meet D.O.T. safety requirements for the vehicle , another problem is that , in 2014 , the smog emition requirements change and get more strict , so if you took too long to register the vehicle, the e-motor would no longer be accepted, also the assembly of the vehicle would have to be certified,
Perhaps the scariest part of the meeting was when asked aboat original boddies and frames, the board informed that we are exempt from smog checks every two years but that they reserve the right to do random smog checks on our vehicles, and guys , they have already started, Anna told me that she owns a 1966 mustang and recieved a smog referal slip with her renewal slipp and had to get her mustang smogged.
If anybody else from the H.A.M.B. atended the meeting , please post information , incase I made any mistakes on this post.

 

IMPEACH THEM ALL! Hang on to your old Iron, boys............................. I personally don't have any problem at all being fraudulent with the government, hell, they have been lying to us for years. FUCK 'EM. Just my two centavo's...................

 

Would you mind changing the title of this to something less damming to ONE MANUFACTURER! Maybe this is a serious issue but it affects much more than just Brookville - unless you have some other agenda?

 

X 2 Covers all the repro bodies. Also could put a lot of folks out of a job and businesses out of business.

 

If this is true, it isn't limited to Brookville. Perhaps a little checking with the appropriate entities would eliminate a bunch of needless panic. What's that old saying? "Look before you leap." Yea, that one.

 

I don't see anything about it on the SEMA site. Do you have a Federal bill number or ??????
Larry T

BTW in Texas early Fords have always been registered by frame numbers so ????????

 

Whats the Number and Title of the Fed Requirement? Need the info to hammer our "ELECTED" reps back on the hill, hell they cant even get a budget passed but you notice their pay and allowances and benefits and insurance and travel monies are exempt!!.

 

Yep, my thought when I read that header was that they had folded their doors and called it quits.

As far as the California registration issues the only way to deal with that is to get active and proactive. Register to vote and then vote for the people who are willing to do something about the problem.

But this is more of a California problem than a national problem. Each state has it's own issues with similar vehicles. Some are more friendly to the concept than others. And having a high concentration of kit car manufactures in Cali doesn't help you cause. It might be more prudent to petition for 500 more vehicles included each year over the average for the past ten years than the kit cars that were manufactured and titled in the state. Or petition that fully assembled at the factory kit cars not be included in the count. That includes the likes of Cobra kits and cars that the major rod shops turn out by the dozen.

 

The new Green is the old Red. Vote 'em out.

 

A "workshop meeting" by the Air Resources Board, is not an enforceable federal government mandate, or law. Sorry Miguel, but I think you are overreacting. The sky is NOT falling...
But if someone has knowingly committed fraud, then that's an issue for law enforcement.

 

This applies to all reproduction bodies, fiberglass or steel , Brookville bodies are the mosted respected manufactured reproduction body, and from what I heard was the one mentioned the most, the purpose of the thread is to find some one from the H.A.M.B. that was at the meeting and can give us some insite of what took place at the meeting, secound , to find a positive solution to the problem, one way I think that would work is to purchase your brookville body diasasembled, then at least find one original body panel, and then assemble the body, tecnically , then the brookville body would be considered repair panels, you would have to find an original frame though, and thus avoid this whole nightmare. I checked the S.E.M.A. web site and their purposed bill is posted , but was not accepted by the air resourse board.Again if some one was there , please post what happened at the meeting.

 

OK I got some questions for ya.

This is a meeting held in California by "The Air Resources Board", would that be the California Air Resources Board or ??? The reason I asked is that I am not seeing any other schedualed meetings across the country. I realize that California is the big nut, but I also know that the sun does not rise and set in California altough it does set there.

My next question is this a bill being proposed or it has already been signed into law if so when does it take effect and is it retroactive?

Now for the biggy, here is a little known fact it has always been contrary to the law to register a vehicle manufactured in whatever year you are in as an older car. You could not for example register a '59 Volvo as a '46 Ford legally. Here is another seemingly little known fact at least amongst the high zoot crowd for a very long time it has been federal law that any vehicle manufactured after '74 is required to have all smog equipment and saftey equipment intact. IE if you manufacture a vehicle in 2009 you are required to have air bags, cats, turn signals, and etc.

If infact you build a car in 2011 from parts manufactured in 2011 that would be things like body chassis etc it is for all intents and purposes a 2011 car and is already liable to be registered that way as a 2011 car with all the requirements of a 2011 car.

Sounds to me like your friend went to a sales meeting.

 

You are right on! Two more centavo,s

 

I call bullshit

 

Not likely to be enough ………… (Im starting to fear )
These people haven’t been working for us for years and the wants and needs of the majority seem to mean nothing.
We grow closer and closer by the day to much more drastic measures being needed.

 

For GOD's SAKE! WHY CAN'T they just leave up the hell alone?!??!?

 

If your car is registered, it will stay registered.

I think there's more concrete information needed rather than just one person's "take" on all this.
There needs to be a formal statement in print to be able to digest what really is taking place.

Until then, I'd just sit tight.

I know there will be many off-handed remarks from the peanut gallery, but, really...

wait until you read a formal document before you "assume" anything.

 

Sounds like a chicken little deal to me.

Regarding the anti- green sentiment, if you live in social you should count your lucky stars someone gave a shit enough to push thru clean air requirements. The way things were going in the 50's and early 60's, you guys wouldn't be able to see your hand in front of your face, the smog would be so bad.

 

Not this again. When there is a bill going through senate I will worry and then light up my reps phone and e-mail. until then, relax its just talk. The aftermarket auto industry including car hobbyist is way to big $$$$ to be messed with and is filled with hundreds of thousands of registered voters and your elected officials that want to stay elected are aware of this. if you want to see the power of the people, find out what elected officials are in support of this and contact them letting them know they lost your vote next election. be proactive, not reactive.

 

This Thread has lots of potential for political rants and statements.

If any more of those get posted, this Thread will go away.

 

well said

 

And there you have it, Bingo

 

Very well said!

 

i think the point the original poster is trying to get across is very simple.

if you go and register your repro body as and "original 193X" it is fraud.
instead it must be registered as a "2011 replica 193X ford"

and if you think that is california only, you are mistaken, dont believe me, ask me how i know....

....in my state it is more of racket way to generate tax $$$$. they tax you as a 2011 you pay the big registration/taxes fees every year, you register it as a 193X antuiqe car,its a very small one time fee as long as you own the car.
..biggest rip off ever...

 

The sky is falling,,the sky is falling,,this ain't the first time for the fear mongers and I am sure it will not be the last.

This kind of knee jerk reaction is bad for the hobby and exactly why SEMA was created to fight unfair legislation from idiot politicians that think they were elected to do everything in their power to strip people like us from enjoying our hobby of modifying cars.

The industry that makes aftermarket body's both glass or steel,along with SEMA will not set back and do nothing. HRP

 

Before we settled the land the local indigenous people called the Los Angeles Basin the "Valley of the Smokes" and would not live there. There is an interesting anomoly over the basin a lot like there is in Mexico City that traps the air where it is.

it is a very good thing that someone back in the later '60s decided to try and make some sort of legislation to clean up the air there.

I don't know that I count as green but I did help organize the first Earth Day for the part of the country I lived in at the time. I also helped campaign for what was called the "Smoker Law" at the time in Oregon. A law that was pretty simple if your car smoked and they wrote you a ticket you had 15 days to remedy it or pay the fine.

Unfortunately what has happened with our laws is that they have been written by people that have no grasp of the concept and are influenced by vendors. It is just ignorance gone to seed in a lot of instances.

That said I think that fellas who build a totally new car and register it as an old car to get around the current equipment laws are already guilty of fraud and should be held accountable as such.

 

That blows

 

So, if you are building a car with reproduction parts, then this isn't news.
So what are you telling us that we didn't already know?

Why does everyone fly off the handle when they have no idea what really is, or is not, transpiring?

As stated earlier.......save your assessment of any situation until after your have read an official press release.

Until then, this is all like "playing telephone" and all it does is raise everyone's blood pressure.

I'm getting the feeling that this "NEWS" and not news at all............

Tell me if I'm wrong, but don't assume you have the answer.
Find the real answer.

 

Wow - is it April 1st again already....

 

This is what it sounds like to me...

It seems its more of the same stuff that happened when Boyd opened his big book of tricks on his TV show.


My guess is, original '32 bodies by Henry are going to be more expensive.

And then we'll have even more to bitch about...