History Photos taken before WW2 - history in black and white

My mother in 1937 sitting on my dad's A, near the CCC camp in Montana.

 

Curtiss Goupil Duck reputedly financed by Ford



http://www.americanmilitaryhistorymsw.com/blog/529761-curtiss-goupil-duck/

 

This similar but different one Bluto posted makes me think if they weren't production there must have at least been a recipe ...

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=914843&d=1267559881

 

QUOTE BigCheese: <TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: 1px inset; BORDER-LEFT: 1px inset; BORDER-TOP: 1px inset; BORDER-RIGHT: 1px inset" class=alt2>Originally Posted by jimi'shemi291
I feel, when you look closely at the facts -- without getting lost in details -- Selden was NOT a charlatan, nor did he do anything "wrong." A better label would be "opportunist." He patented the automobile and, patent laws being loosey-goosey, he took advantage of that. He ALSO made a ton of MONEY, while the ride lasted!
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Was Selden an active member of the Association of Licensed Automobile Manufacturers? I had this impression he had just sold his patent to them, and later became involved again during the Ford litigation.

-David

Dave, this brief Wiki excerpt comes as close as anything I've seen to explaining the relationship between Seden and Whitney:



". . . the patent US 549160pdf was granted on November 5, 1895. . . Shortly thereafter the fledgling American auto industry began its first efforts and George Selden, despite never having gone into production with a working model of an automobile, had a credible claim to have patented an automobile in 1895.<SUP id=cite_ref-flink51_0-1 class=reference>[1]</SUP><SUP id=cite_ref-flink51b_1-1 class=reference>[2]</SUP> In 1899 he sold his patent rights to William C. Whitney, who proposed manufacturing electric-powered taxicabs as the Electric Vehicle Company, EVC, for a royalty of $15 per car with a minimum annual payment of $5,000. Whitney and Selden then worked together to collect royalties from other budding automobile manufacturers. He was initially successful, negotiating a 0.75% royalty on all cars sold by the Association of Licensed Automobile Manufacturers."




George B. Selden driving automobile in 1905, THANKS to WikiMedia Commons. Though the car reportedly was POOR -- even a flop -- Ford eventually won his patent appeal arguing that the engine that propelled this car was NOT the one contained in Selden's protracted patent filings, even with numerous Selden amendments over 16 years! Whew!

 

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Rambler

Buick model B


DeDion

 

Mercedes



Regas


REO

 

Horch 1904

Columbia









1904 Wolsley

 

German Electric Car

Raj steam car



Darracq

Winton

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Stevens Durea ???

 

Buick




Locomobile steamer

 

Detroit Electric

Talbot

Vauxhall

 

Looks like one of those old finds Henry Austin Clark used to write about in Old Cars way back when.

 

Stop by The Old Motor were we have, with the help of one of our readers, uncovered old information dating a Welch car engine with three inverted valves per cylinder in a spherical combustion chamber along with an OHC to a date which may have been 1902. Follow this link to theoldmotor.com to read more and see many more photos.

 

THANKS, Tee.

And here's a fascinating pic from the New York Public Library. I believe this is a '37 model
Graham, 120 series. The original notes on its PERFORMANCE as the selling point here
are telling. They did crank out nearly 120 hp.

 

Any help out there? What year model is this Flanders, 1913? This has me
pretty confused. The New York Library archives state it's a Flanders 50-6.
But wouldn't this be about the time Maxwell had a car labeled the same?
And, at what point had the Everitt departed the scene?

 

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In a few words - you are right. The Flanders was only produced in very small numbers in 1913 during the time when Barney Everitt, William Metzger and Walter Flanders (hence EMF) were sorting themselves out. Essentially this car went out of production - only a month after its introduction at the January 1913 New York Motor Show - when Ben Briscoe asked Walter Flanders to sort out the mess Briscoe had made in trying to establish United States Motor Company to challenge GM. Flanders closed down all of the weak companies in the group, including his own, and retained the only good car in the group - the Maxwell. The Maxwell, of course, ultimately morphed into Chrysler.

I wonder if any of the gentlemen mentioned above is in the car in this picture.

 

Didn't Studebaker come out of this group too?

 

Studebaker already existed (they built covered wagons in the 19th century). You're right that there was a relationship, though, I can't remember the details right this second.

-Dave

 

Originally, Studebaker teamed up with Garford. Garford supplied complete running chassis that were then fitted with Studebaker built bodies. Garford also built cars under it's own name (of which only one example survives) and tried to increase production on their own line at Studebaker's expense. Once they found out, they tried to force Garford back to the original agreement and eventually cut them loose in 1911.

Studebaker teamed up with E-M-F in 1908 in a sightly different way. Under the terms of the partnership, E-M-F would manufacture vehicles and Studebaker would distribute them exclusively through its wagon dealers.

The E-M-F gasoline-powered cars proved disastrously unreliable, causing plays on the company name, such as saying E-M-F stood for Every Morning Fix-it.

Problems with infighting between Everett, Metzger and Flanders eventually brought around E-M-F's collapse in 1913. Fortunately Studebaker's president, Fred Fish, had purchased one-third of the E-M-F stock in 1908 and followed up by acquiring all the remainder from J. P. Morgan in 1910 and buying E-M-F's manufacturing plants in Walkerville, Ontario and Detroit. This allowed Studebaker to begin producing it's own cars. <sup id="cite_ref-finpost_14-0" class="reference"></sup>

 

Thanks Clayton, I knew there was something but didn't know what. I think virtually all car Co.s were connected somehow in some way. A twisted web.

 

Yes there was often a connection between companies, even if it involved the sale of the factory after one company had collapsed. Northern was established by Jonathan Maxwell and Charles King after they had learned their craft at Oldsmobile. When Northern production ended in 1908 the factory was used to build the EMF.

Even though Everitt, Metzger and Flanders seemed to have problems with their business relationships in the 1908-13 period they got together again after WW1 to produce the Rickenbacker car. Eddie Rickenbacker only gave his name and prestige to the company. Walter Flanders was killed in a road accident in the early 1920s but Everitt struggled on until the company gave up in 1928.

 

There is some interesting basic information here on how Everitt, Metzger and flanders came to be involved in the auto industry. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-M-F_Company

 

Haaaaa, the billy goat on the top of the car gag! That always cracks me up.

 

More interesting stuff here - http://emfauto.org/EMF_history.php - I laughed when I read the bit at the end about Flanders' ex-wives contesting his will!

 

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1915 Bartlett Sales Brochure

Does anyone know anything about the
history of the Bartlett? This is one make
I've never heard of before.

Mart3406
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