Lakster or Dirt Track ???

Thom, O.K, you asked, so here goes . . . . .

In my humble opinion I like the V'd stock w/s posts leaned back. Being a race/street car I feel that is all you need. If anything else how about wing windows ? Other than that call it done.

Dave

 

Hello All,
Less is definately more on this one,
Best Regards
Rick

 

Thanks for the input... it is hard to visualize with just doing a sketch... from this angle everything would change without having a mock-up to get a walk around view and sitting in the car is a totally differant perspective... so, I guess I'll have to build a foam core unit and go from there... Thanks again everyone

 

Somehow even when ya clean up a 27 frame it still looks like a street car not the vintage race car that I'm going for... you just never see them using even the posts back in the 40's... not knocking this Brizio build that is top notch... its just doesn't fit my image of how my car should look... keeping it simple (as always) will be the hard part

 

I think if you're careful with the proportions, you should be able to pull it off cleanly. This is an obstacle that I'd like to see you try your hand at because you do some excellent work. If it doesn't work, you can always just take it off; it's only metal. Of course.. it would be a shame to cover up that nice pinstriping.

 

I think what you have drawn looks good, just without the sides.



or somthing like this.

 

I agree about the Brizio pic above- great car, but too smooth... almost has a billet look.

If you're going for a vintage look, you could cut the post above the lower pivot point- to me, it's the pivoting windshield that gives it that nostalgic look.

And if you want it lower, just reweld the pivot point on at whatever height you want.

 

How about more like this. I know the car is not right (although there is a Y in it) but the wind screen looks good and vintage.

 

I love the Dick Kraft shot above... windshield is a little high in the center and I want a full frame even though it is going to be harder to fab ( I do have a plan - now if it will only work)... the side shield (if it doesn't get to busy) will add to the race image... if I'm lucky I'll be able to increase the angle... the only thing I will not do is modify the body to make it work... today thats craftsmanship - back then it wasn't for looks, it was for function to make it faster... my car shows no indication of any other paint than Henry's black & primer... it didn't make go any faster

 

Like your basic design, the side panels give it a "racier" look. As you said, a bit more lay back will help and the concept is about better airflow. Keep at it you are building a beautiful car.

 

i like the version you drew up! i think it is a very unique and kool design and would look awesome once put together!

 

Why was it made high in the center - ? Blow some air at it with you in it - If it is not functional - like you said about paint why have it ---- ? For the look of speed right

 

Your design fits the car. I think if you sit in her and look long enough get out back in, with your talent the light will come on and you will tweak it the way it will fit you and the car. Just my .02

 

Plans are for foam core mock up and a fan... I know it would look better with more of a rake but the cowl doesn't seem long enough to pull off without being farther forward and I want to keep it simple... by adjusting the angle and the V I'm hoping to keep it low and direct air over my head (no intent to be looking thru the windshield - just have one to avoid the hassel)... I'm sure hunks of dirt or salt at high speeds could sting so it would have been practical in the day if it was aerodynamic... a lot of design clues were borrowed from plane construction back then

 

Windshied passed the smoke test

 

I know what happened... but you can't see it very well so here is a cropped section of the above picture... basically... cardboard mock up... large fan... burning rag... watch the smoke...

 

Side view... I know it has been mentioned that it should be laid back more... this angle allows an up draft past the drivers head while keeping it below eye level... I was reminded that if you were actually racing you would be leaning forward and that would move you body/head downward too... anyways - this is the way it is getting built (except it won't be as wide since this was a mock-up to determine how high and what angle)

 

Now I like this approach you are using - Thinking, and doing it with what you have on hand to do with - I still like the side glass also

 

I was thankful that I didn't have to V the windshield too much... just enough to give clearance to the steering wheel... just a note to those who mentioned laying back the stock windshield - the same angle that we are using for the post would have been past the steering wheel using a flat windshield...

 

Thom, I like to leaned and V'd look. Doe it need to be a little bit taller ?

Dave

 

Thats why we did the smoke test... I wanted my line of vision over the windshield... keeping the windshield lower takes away the "street effect" but, I didn't want wind hitting me in the face... the angle & height mock-up was to determine how low I could go and still deflect air flow...





I drew the basic glass & post areas on the cardboard... now we make the posts and build from there

 

Thom, Like the look you came up with. It is sporty enough to go with a comp style look. Going to be one mean rod !

Dave

 

I was e-mailed this picture... so, the vintage aircraft that enfluenced racers back in the day is obvious from this picture... this keeps the build era correct and believable that someone would have taken thier construction ideas from something like this

 

Thom, I generally look over the top of the w/s on the track roadster pickup. I can scootch down and still see out with the makeshift roof I tried last summer, but it wasn't overly comfortable. My w/s didn't get the way it did via a smoke test...it's just how it turned out. Actually I sat higher in the car at first and had to do some doctoring in the seat bottoms to get further down in the car.

Seems like we can test, and sit in the car, and make engine noises all we want but driving is the deal in the end.

Charlie

 

I don't think mine will ever get the miles yours has... so your experience speaks volumes... I actually hadn't planned on a windshield because I was trying to stay true to the race ready form since my plans were to trailer it and just cackle around once I was at a show... and I kinda abandoned the 27 while working on the 57 shown below which turned out not to be a simple project... now the tow rig has stalled and I'm back on the 27 and it looks like it may be to much fun not to drive so its getting a windshield, front brakes, and a few more street appointments... I hope it doesn't spoil its race image



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Nice hearing from you... stop by the Artists Alley at Detroit Autorama if ya get a chance

 

I forgot to ask - how high is yours... I remember looking at it at Columbus one year and I don't remember it being very high either

 

Not the best picture but it gives a profile view

 

At the middle it's 11-1/2" on the slant. The peak is 8" above the cowl.. The edge of the glass sorta splits my vision.

Back and forth on projects has also been my problem for many years...it really slows down the process but it seems to be the only way for me to stay challenged.

Charlie

 

My experience up to this point is mainly with motorcycle windshields. On my bike I like to look over the screen as you have suggested.

I can tell you this.

While your smoke test may tell you that the wind will deflect up and over your head (and it will as it does on the motorcycle) not everything will go up and over with the wind

Large heavy insects like bumble bees and grasshoppers will defy the airflow and can and will hit you directly in the face as I discovered painfully while riding with an open faced helmet and sunglasses.

Keeping your mouth closed and bugs out of your teeth will also be a learned skill !

Another thing I have discovered is that the bugs will hit the top edge of the screen and the resulting splatter and carnage will get you right in the face.

Airflow up and over does not save you from this.


(I now ride with a full faced helmet and closed visor) My bike is a Honda ST1300 with electric windshield height adjustment and I usually set it so I am looking over it by 2" or so.

For my 26 T RPU I am going to use a stock cut down windshield and default in favor of function.

I'll look through it so that I don't have to wear goggles to stop my eyes from watering or drying out and filling with bugs.


I really don't want to have to wear my motorcycle helmet in the T