History We ALL Love a DARE! PIX of TRULY Extinct Makes?

Very nice!
I don't beleive I've ran across this one before for vehicles made in NY.

I will have to look it up in my reference books.

Not much info at all on the internet so far.

I'm guessing..........EXTINCT!

 

Can anyone show me a 1920s Detroit Electric 99A? I've read they used Willys bodies.

-Dave

 

From: http://www.earlyelectric.com/timeline.html





<TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=0 width=765><TBODY><TR height=18><TD height=18 vAlign=top width=75>[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]1930[/FONT]</TD><TD height=18 vAlign=top width=676>[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Car company liquidater Alfred O. Dunk purchased Detroit Electric and continued limited production under the same name. Their principal business was in turning earlier large broughams into model 98's and light chassis 4-passenger broughams into model 97's, they also made "new" model 99A's with a Willys body. The last Dunk car was shipped November 17th. 1932.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]In Chicopee Falls the last Rauch & Langs are made, a trio of Owen style hybrids.[/FONT]







</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD height=18 vAlign=top width=75>[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]1933[/FONT]</TD><TD height=18 vAlign=top width=676>[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Dunk's company was liquidated. Dunk employee Alfred F. Renz got the Detroit Electric related assets and continued limited production of cars as The Detroit Electric Vehicle Manufacturing Company (registered October 16th, 1933). From remaining stock, or with a Dodge coupe body, Renz made another 15 "new" cars, the last of which was shipped 2-23-39.[/FONT]






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Detroit Electric 1906-1911 Anderson Carriage Co
1911-1919 Anderson Electric Car Co
1919-1932 Detroit Electric Car Co
1933-1939 (1968) Detroit Electric Vehicle Manufacturing Co

These companies made Detroit Electric cars from 1907 to 1939 in Detroit Michigan. They also made trucks from 1910 to 1916, car bodies on contract till 1919, and ambulance bodies 1916-1919. The last iteration of the Company remained on Michigan corporate records as a dormant company till the late sixties. The most successful manufacturer of electric cars in the twentieth century, with over 12,300 Pleasure cars, and 535 trucks. They manufactured very dependable cars, with quality coachwork featuring curved quarter windows, aluminum body panels and roof.

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Detroit Electric was no leader in innovation. When coachbuilder Rauch & Lang decided on electric propulsion for their luxury carriages in 1905, Anderson followed the next year. When Rauch & Lang purchased (merged with) their main electrical component supplier in 1907 Detroit bought their main supplier (Elwell-Parker) in 1909. After Baker introduced shaft drive in 1906, Detroit introduced it in 1911. Ohio introduced Double Drive cars in 1913, Detroit the Duplex Drive in 1914. After Milburn introduced the "Milburn Light Electric" in late 1914, for thirty percent less money, Detroit introduced their cheaper "Light Chassis" cars in 1917.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The archetypical Detroit is the classic "Cinderella's Coach" Brougham that dominated sales from 1912 to 1919. They were available in four and five passenger bodies with tiller controls at the rear seat, the front, or both. As early as 1908 the company attempted to appeal to the sporting gentleman with a series of faux radiator cars that resembled the gasoline cars of the time. This was abandoned during the peak sales years between 1914 and 1918 to be revived in 1919 when the company split into three parts and the surviving electric car company had no body factory. The majority of the bodies 1919-1921 were from the HM Body Co in Racine Wisconsin. The Broughams from that time on were old stock from when the factory was going full tilt just two years earlier. The last entirely new car was made mid 1926, and the balance of cars sold as "new" ('til February of 1939) were remanufactured cars with borrowed (Willys, Dodge) bodies.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]At least 110 remaining cars and 1 truck.[/FONT]

From: http://www.cosmolearning.com/images/detroit-electric-anderson-electric-car-models-1931-1936/

1931 Detroit Electric Modell 99
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Detroit Spotlight 1966

Posted by Mike Bumbeck On September - 24 - 2009

In the Detroit Spotlight department of a December 1966 issue of Motor Trend magazine is a small photo of a 1931 Detroit Electric Model 99, accompanied by the news of near future Big Three electric fleets.

 

1935 Aetna Auto Show Brochure

1935 Detroit Electric (2 models...Models 97 and 99)

 

How about Hudson, Moreland, Sterling and others?
Normbc9

 

Brooks Steam Motors Ltd., Stratford, Ont. About 300 of this all-Canadian car were produced, in one model only, which sold for $3885. The twenty-one gallon 600 lb. pressure boiler produced enough steam for up to 500 miles.

 

This thread is amazing!!

Question. Does anyone have, or can anyone even FIND a photograph for this little puzzler?

Woodstock Automobile Manufacturing Co. Ltd., Woodstock, Ont. This 2 cylinder, shaft driven high-wheeler sold for $750, as did its companion, a light delivery wagon called the Oxford. Quantity not known. According to what information I actually have it came out sometime around 1911-1912 or so

 

"Woodstock Automobile Manufacturing Company Limited (1911 &#8211; 1913). This company built the Every Day car and the Oxford truck. The car cost $650 for a runabout, $750 for a 4 passenger car. The Oxford truck cost $750. The total production of cars is not known, but they produced 33 trucks. . . . The car was a 16 horsepower with a maximum speed of 25 mph. It was a high-wheeled car. The car/truck design was of U.S. origin &#8211; the Clark Automobile Co. of Michigan. The factory was located at the corner of Mill and Main streets. . . . the Woodstock Automobile Mfg. Co. Ltd. evolved into the Oxford Garage [starting in 1916 at 333 Dundas Street], a major automobile distributor for many years. "

Woodstock Automobile actually began operations in 1904, &#8216;in the old tannery building&#8217; on Main (exact address uncertain). Charles Evans was in charge of the works and William Myers was office superintendent. With a staff of 25 me n, in its early days Woodstock Automobile Ltd. made all the parts needed and then assembled them into one and two-seater autos. These it shipped to Hamilton, and presumably also to local dealers. In 1904, its 2-seater, 4-wheeled &#8216;surrey&#8217; class of automobile retailed for $1400. Another of its products was a truck with chain-driven rear wheels and solid tires.
In the Fall of 1911, the Company moved into a vacant portion of a large furniture factory at the south-east corner of Mill and Main (on the site where the Farmers&#8217; Market is now). Claude E. Ferguson was then manager. Both civic and Board Of Trade officials encouraged the company to go ahead with tooling up, promising to do everything possible to ensure that a necessary bylaw would pass without opposition from the local citizens. A few cars were produced at the new site for the 1912 season. However, the bylaw was not presented until after the Civic Election of Jan. 1, 1912. Unfortunately, the bylaw then failed to pass and by mid-1913 the factory was empty, the company defunct.

From:
Sources:
- Sentinel Review, May 7, 1904
- Woodstock directories for 1912, 1914
- W. Stewart Lavell,&#8221; The Early Industries of Woodstock,&#8221; (Oxford Historical Society, Volume &#8216;Industries&#8217;, Section BC165.03)

 

Clark
Clark and Co.
Lansing, Michigan
1910-1911

The Clark was an American Automobile made by Lansing, Michigan pioneer Frank G. Clark. Frank Clark manufactured carriages with his father Albert in the late 1800s. In 1902 Frank Clark and William Newbrough organized the Clarkmobile Co. and introduced his first automobile in 1903. In 1905 Frank Clark sold his business to New Way Motor Co. In 1910 Frank G. Clark organized Clark & Co. to produce the Clark Automobile.


Frank G. Clark's father Albert was never in favor of the automobile. So Frank waited until after his death in the early 1900s to begin automobile production. The Clark & Company Carriage Manufacturers reportly built the body for the first test car produced by Ransom E. Olds in 1896.


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The Clark & Co. Carriage Manufacturers Established In 1865

The Clark automobile was a three passenger high wheeler with solid rubber tires and wheel steering. The Clark was equipped with an opposed two cylinder air cooled engine that developed 14 horsepower. ​

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1910 Clark</CENTER>
The Clark Automobile was only produced in 1910 and 1911, the company failed and went out of business. Frank Clark then went into the production of trucks.


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1911 Clark Three Passenger Roadster </CENTER>

From: http://www.american-automobiles.com/Clark-2.html

 

You know I found one of these cars at a local salvage yard about 8 years ago. Couldnt remembe the name until now (thight it was a fox fire but couldnt remember). I asked about the car but they had just got it and didnt want to answer any question, including how much (probably doing their homework at the time). Didnt stay there long, still think about it and wish I wouldve bought it, especially now!

 

I saw a couple of mcfarlan pics a few posts back so I thought I would add another, I believe this is a 1919

 

How about my old 59 Abarth Zagato...?

Can't find the photos at the moment!

 

Thank you so much!!

You guys are awesome!!

My parents lived, at one time, right on Mill and Waterloo Street...that area was chock a block with auto based industries around there once...

 

1913 Alco Six Five-Passenger Touring

Chassis No. 2756011

Model H. 60 hp, 524.8 cu. in. inline T-head six cylinder engine, four-speed manual transmission, solid front axle and live rear axle with semi-elliptic leaf springs, and two-wheel mechanical brakes. Wheelbase: 133.5"

• High-horsepower Brass Era touring car
• Last year of the storied Alco marque
• One of the most expensive American cars of the era
• One of only six examples known to exist
• AACA Senior and Swigart honors as well as Pebble Beach award

The American Locomotive Company began building American Berliet cars in Providence, Rhode Island in 1906, having secured the US license to build the highly-respected Berliet automobiles of Lyon, France for a period of three years. Marius Berliet was a trained mechanic and engineer, and he produced his first automobile in France around 1894.

The first American Berliets were shown at the November 1906 New York Auto Show held at the Grand Central Palace. These were four-cylinder chain drive cars. In 1908, the four-cylinder models were changed from chain to shaft drive. In 1910, a shaft drive six-cylinder model was introduced. By September of that year, American Berliet engineers, believing they had gleaned enough knowledge to build cars on their own, persuaded American Locomotive management to begin building entire cars in-house without the use of Berliet designs. This continued until the auto plant was closed for good. However, a Berliet influence remained with the mighty Alcos as long as they were produced; the engine and many other parts were still built in metric measure!

Alco automobiles rightly belong in the same pantheon of great early US cars as Pierce-Arrow, Packard, Locomobile, Chadwick, Peerless, Lozier, Stearns, Simplex and Thomas. The Alco’s specifications and construction are legendary. For instance, a veteran Alco machinist once related how the quality control on crankshaft grinds was enforced. Once the billet had been machined it had to be perfect on every journal after the initial grind or it would be dumped in the Providence River and a new billet ground, this time perhaps to perfection! No wonder Alco claimed it took one year and seven months to build each car.

The new 1909 Alco was sent out to prove its soundness by entering—and winning—the grueling Vanderbilt Cup Race in that year, beating Fiat, Mercedes, National, Marmon, Isotta, Buick and Simplex. In 1910, Alco repeated the feat, beating Marmon, National, Lozier, Pope, Simplex, Benz and Mercedes! Alco also paid close attention to body styling, and by 1912 the distinctive white stripe running around the top of the elegant Alco coachwork instantly identified the renowned road locomotives from Providence. Alcos also became the most expensive cars in America during this time, reflecting the quality of materials, design and workmanship lavished upon them. Despite the high prices, however, a careful cost analysis revealed that American Locomotive was losing an average of $460 on each car built and had been doing so since the venture began in 1906! This became Alco’s death knell, and the marque was discontinued in late 1913, bringing to a close the saga of a car that was perhaps built too well to survive in the marketplace of its time.

The car on offer here is almost certainly the 1913 New York Show car based on its one-off steering tube angle, slightly longer cowl, deeper front seat placement and five-passenger Fleetwood body configuration. It was originally sold in Cleveland on August 10, 1913, and we understand it remained there in various owners’ and collectors’ hands until the late 1960s. The previous owner acquired the car in 1989 and commenced restoration. This work was completed in the shops of well-known brass car restorer Stu Laidlaw, who carried out metalworking, painting, engine and drivetrain renovation, brass and trim work and final assembly. Top and interior work was accomplished by master upholsterer Leif Drexler using Fleetwood builder’s photographs and leather samples from an original 1913 Alco in order to ensure total authenticity.

Upon completion of its full restoration in 1995, the car was taken to Pebble Beach and won second in its class. It also won a First National Junior AACA award and then a Senior National First place at Hershey in the same year. It then went on the win the AACA’s 1996 Swigart Award for the best restoration of a rare car in the previous year.

After its appearances and wins on the show circuit, the engine and drivetrain were re-restored for serious brass car touring events. This included fitting a modern clutch, hidden hydraulic disc brakes within the rear drums, a Pierce-Delco dual distributor with electronic ignition hidden within and very strong LED brake lights. All of these updates were accomplished without modifying any original components, and the car may be returned to original specifications should the new owner wish. New connecting rods were made during the first restoration. Tom Lester re-babbitted all bearings and had new pistons made during the second rebuild. During its restoration from 1990 to 1995, a new crankcase was patterned, cast and machined. The engine was rebuilt during 1998 to 1999 using hardened valve seats, a Moldex counterbalanced crankshaft, newly babbitted connecting rods and aluminum pistons. Hidden 160-degree thermostats in each set of cylinders assure proper operating temperatures at all speeds and elevations. A new crankcase was cast and vacuum impregnated with clear high temperature epoxy to prevent leaks and seepage.

The result of all this work is a car that is not only visually imposing, with exceptional beauty of line and superb workmanship, but is also an early motor car that has proven itself on the Transcontinental Tour for pre-1915 cars, the famous Red Rock Rendezvous tours, Circle South, 2000 HCCA Millennium Tour and a New England Brass & Gas. This rugged, majestic and handsome Alco, one of only six of the massive six-cylinder cars known to exist, would be welcome at a wide variety of tours, shows and concours. There is no question that the Alco will acquit itself with outstanding performance and will draw the admiration of seasoned connoisseurs and casual observers alike. The Alco is a rarely seen car that is at once imposing and powerful yet understated with sophisticated design.

More Pics;

http://www.rmauctions.com/milhous-collection.cfm?section=lot&SaleCode=MH12&CarID=r101&fc=0

 

In Search of Alcos: #9 1913 Alco Model 6 Berline Limousine at Crawford Auto Aviation Museum

posted on Tuesday, May 03 2011 by Howard Kroplick



Over the last three months, we have attempted to document the Alco "12"- the 12 existing rebuilt and restored cars made originally by the American Locomotive Company in Providence, Rhode Island. The ninth Alco is a 1913 Alco Model 6 Berline Limousine at the Crawford Auto Aviation Museum, A Collection of Western Reserve Historical Society, in Cleveland, Ohio.






When this 1913 Alco was owned by Whitney Snyder of Sewickley, Pennsylvania, it was featured in a Long Island Automotive Museum postcard.



The Western Reserve Historical Society has provided the following specifications and history on the car:
Maker: American Locomotive Company, Providence, Rhode Island
Date of Origin: 1913
Description: Four door Limousine. Black, white, and blue body. Black fenders. Whitewall tires with blue woden spoked wheels and brass hub caps. Two black headlights with brass trim. Brass handled crank starter. Black grill with exposed fill cap. Black hood with brass hinges and handles. Two vents on front wall on each side for cabin ventilation. Wood trimmed two-sectioned windshield with adjustable top section. Brass electric horn on passenger's side. Driver's side mounted spare tire, recessed into running board. Brass door handles. Wood trimmed side windows. White rubber covered running boards with brass trim. Brass electric lanterns on the "B" pillar. Two access doors to undercarriage on each side under rear doors. Rear doors with with brass handles. Wood trimmed side vent windows. Rear window. "Leather" covered hardtop. Roof has a center section that projects upward, with wood trimmed side vent windows. Collapsible rear luggage rack. Rear brass gas cap and electrical lights. Interior: Brass steering shaft with wooden steering wheel. Black leather bench seat. Brass instruments and gauges. Brass handled levers. Ceiling light. Side windows retract with twist handle. Communication speaker on driver's side. Three glass windows separate the front and rear cabins. Gray cloth bench seats and walls with blue and white floral trim. Collapsible extra passenger seats in front of rear bench seat. Side door windows roll down. Side rear windows and front center window retract. All windows have brown cloth shades. Two ceiling lights. Speaker amplifier to driver on driver's side rear next to passenger bench seat.

Details: Color :Black, blue, and white body.
Marks:"Alco" on vents in front of windshield. Two identification plates on each side near front of the running boards. "Alco American Locomotive Company" on center of wheels, on top center of grill frame.
Height: 98"
Width: 69"
Length:185"

Vehicle Type: Model Six
Type/Style: Berline Limousine
Engine/Power Plant: 6 cylinder
Performance: BHP 60
Original Factory: $7,200 (equivalent to $162,500 today)

Comments: Restored by Schaffer and Long Inc. of Magnolia, New Jersey in the mid-1960s.
Provenance: Previous owners: William P. and G. Whitney Snyder of Sewickly, Pennsylvania. Original owner unknown.



Links to related posts on VanderbiltCupRaces.com and the Internet:

Archives: In Search of the Alcos
Film "Alco Cars 1908-1913"
Archives: American Locomotive Company
Crawford Auto Aviation Museum

 

Wonder if any of these are left around?

 

1906 - American Motor Truck Company - In 1906, the American Motor Truck Company (1906-1912) built an experimental chaindrive 4x4 truck with four-wheel steering. This vehicle, owned by collector Wayne Coffman, is still in existence and shown below.​

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In 1911, the company marketed a line of similar 1, 2, 3, 5, and 10 ton 4x4 trucks. Like the prototype, the axles were a platform type and pivoted in the center, complete with springs. The trucks used horizontally opposed 2 or 4 cylinder engines of 20 to 60 hp and had top speeds from 8 to 15 MPH. The transmission was a two-speed, planetary design.​

 

Not quite extinct! cool!
My son lives just down the street from where this company was.
Within 2 blocks no less!

 

Don't know what year but certainly is RARE.

 

Extinct?????

I would guess.........

Information on the Friend Automobile is sketchy at best. There is sufficient evidence to establish that one maybe two prototypes were built around the turn of the century"
"The Friend Manufacturing Company of Gasport, NY was primarily a builder of pumps and orchard sprayers. As the name suggests, the founders were "Quakers". Their Motto, "We are thy Friends"."
"A Twenty-fifth anniversary publication indicates the company was founded in 1895 by inventer William H. Hull and his brothers Arthur B, John C., and G. Albert. At first the brothers operated a bicycle shop but soon began to build complete bicycles. The Market name of their product was Friend.
The prototype automobiles were built just around, or just before 1900. Since the Hull brothers were building stationary and rig mounted gasoline engines, it is reasonable that the Friend Automobile would be gasoline powered. Their knowledge of bicycle building, combined with their gas engine experience would have been consistant with the typical runabouts of 1898-1900."

Info from the Herman Sass book.


So far no pictures found.

 

This must be a truly extinct make, as no place on the interwebs has been able to identify it.

The plate on the small car is a 1914 Manufacturer's Plate.

 

Barry, great find. Amazing "car"! More like a BUS than a tourer, eh? Wonder what they were shooting for, what typical owner? Suppose it was just a one-off to plumb for a market? Foreign or domestic? Wow!

 

Can you identify the smaller car? That may hold a clue.

 

Isotta Fraschini? Not the same year but the radiator, shell, cap, and chain drive is very similar. To me the front fenders look suspect as in a modification. Perhaps mod added later with parking/cowl lamps.

 

From another site.

 

1906 Bugmobile Model A Ruanbout

While the intentions of the person who named this car might have been to imply that it was a motorized buggy, the final result was one that maker a person scratch their head and say why. In business for just a couple of years, the Bugmobile was headquartered in the Chicago, Illinois area, and despite its name employed a number of advanced design features for the day. When this car was located, the original horizontally opposed two-cylinder engine and final drive had been lost to the ages. Restored using locally fabricated gearing and axles and a 1980's era B&S engine. With solid rubber tires and employing a tiller steering system this car would be a delight for anyone to own, either to use as a parade vehicle or as a display car to promote a business or organization, this is one car that won’t drive you “buggy”.

http://www.kruseclassics.com/index.cfm?id=208&auc_code=RO12&lot=4

 

Pretty sure this one is extinct, whatever it is