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Let's Talk Cyclecars

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Bigcheese327, Dec 4, 2007.

  1. boldventure
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    Not sure if I posted this here or not. Sorry if it's a re-post:eek:
    A drawing I did a few years ago.
     

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  2. farna
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    Well old fox, that's not really too bad. So you wear a helmet and borrow a bike to get the license. As long as you can actually operate a bike you should be good to go!

    I thought about getting an old Geo Metro three cylinder FWD setup and using that. Would make it a bit harder to create a decent looking front end with the struts, but could be done. I'd let the motor hang out in front and stick the radiator behind it Morgan style.
     
  3. Ned Ludd
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    The struts could have more of a vague resemblance to Morgan sliding pillars if one were to lose the coil springs in favour of, say, torsion bars or a transverse leaf. The strut lower ball joints were never intended to handle much in the way of tension, but the vehicle is much lighter than the original application.
     
  4. that poor little guy was stuffed into the wall at Sears Point last year. :(

     
  5. Rokotov
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    Misters! Where it is possible to find drawings of this device?
     

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  6. Ned Ludd
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    That device is extremely cool! Welcome, Rokotov.

    The image seems to appear only on the Dieselpunk site; it does not appear to occur on the site whose url is given on the image. Presumably that is the artist's own site. I suspect that this is a concept exercise without further technical detail. As such the technical design you're looking for does not exist. On the other hand you are therefore free to design your own.

    The design is idiomatically quite eclectic: the chassis is pretty much early-vintage, the body has much of the late-'30s lateral thinking that gave rise to the Citroën 2CV, yet the reveal or pinstripe to the door and the bat/umbrella quality imparted by the fabric top's centre rib are rather Edwardian. The front is a bit DKW or SIMA-Violet. The narrow bonnet meeting a sloping body front/firewall/extended windscreen is an arrangement I've explored from time to time over the years: it arises out of an attitude of design thinking I mostly associate with the '60s and '70s.
     
  7. Rokotov
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    Many thanks for your developed answer! I will take this shape and I will create under it a design on the discretion, and
    If it will turn out, I will necessarily share the project!
    I ask to excuse me for my English, I am helped by the automatic translator.
     
  8. Rokotov
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    Rokotov, your English is as good as some high school students over here.... in some cases better!!
     
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  12. Ned Ludd
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    Що має безпомилковий стиль автоматичного перекладача, як безсумнівного це!

    (That does have the unmistakable style of an automatic translator, as doubtless does this!)
     
  13. Ned Ludd
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    Weird valve train! It looks like intake and exhaust valves are operated by the same rockers via push/pullrods? That must be very limiting as regards timing, as it allows for no overlap.
     
  14. Rokotov
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    :) On my supervision, the automatic translator, with Russian addresses more correctly, than with an Ukrainian.
     
  15. Ned Ludd
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    Это лучше?
    (Is this better?)

    "Тем не менее имеют недвусмысленным стилем автоматического переводчик, несомненно, делает это!"

    Я использую этот переводчик для перевода с английского на русский язык, и затем для воплощения в результате с русского на английский язык. В конце результат не так же, как первый! Есть старая история компьютерного перевода программы:
    (I use the translator to translate from English to Russian, and then to translate the result from Russian to English. The end result is not the same as the first! There is the old story of computer translating programs: )

    Out of sight, out of mind >> Невидимая сумасшедшим >> Invisible lunatic

    Было бы лучше для меня вспомнить о недостатках переводчик программы ... :D
    (It would be best for me to remember the limitations of translator programs ... :D)
     
  16. Rokotov
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    :D My translator!:D http://www.translate.ru/
     
  17. Rokotov
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    My acquaintance has given me drawings from magazine "Popular Mechanics" of device "TQ" - A SPEEDY MIDGET RACER. I think to apply them to drawing published by me above.:)
     

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  18. Rokotov
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    The more long the worse transfer!
     
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  21. Rokotov
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    The city of Kharkov :)
     
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  27. Ned Ludd
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    FWD and a bit bigger than cyclecar size. Cool nevertheless.
     
  28. Bobert
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    Been following this thread for a while now. Was a "Cyclecar" ever defined? I know that IL code defines a three wheeler as a motorcycle but in general there appear to be many 4 wheeled cars posted here that qualify as cyclecars. Just wondering as to the criteria.
     
  29. Ned Ludd
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    This description appears on Wikipedia's page on cyclecars:

    "Cyclecars were propelled by single cylinder, V-twin or more rarely four cylinder engines, often air cooled. Sometimes these had been originally used in motorcycles and other components from this source such as gearboxes were also employed. Cyclecars were half way between motorcycles and cars and were fitted with lightweight bodies, sometimes in a tandem two-seater configuration and could be primitive with minimal comfort and weather protection. They used various layouts and means of transmitting the engine power to the wheels, such as belt drive or chain drive often to one rear wheel only to avoid having to provide a differential.

    "The rise of cyclecars was a direct result of reduced taxation both for registration and annual licences of lightweight small engined cars. In France, for example, a car was classed for reduced rates if it weighed less than 350 kg (772 lb).

    "On 14 December 1912, at a meeting of the Federation Internationale des Clubs Moto Cycliste, it was formally decided that there should be an international classification of cyclecars to be accepted by the United Kingdom, Canada, United States, France, Holland, Belgium, Italy, Austria and Germany. It was also decided to establish two classes of cyclecars, as follows;

    • (i) Large class
      • Maximum weight 350 kg (772 lb)
      • Maximum engine capacity 1100 cc
      • Minimum tyre section 60 mm (2.4 in).
    • (ii) Small class
      • Minimum weight 150 kg (331 lb)
      • Maximum weight 300 kg (661 lb)
      • Maximum engine capacity 750 cc
      • Minimum tyre section 55 mm (2.2 in).

    "All cyclecars were to have clutches and change-speed gears. This requirement could be fulfilled by even the simplest devices such as provision for slipping the belt on the pulley to act as a clutch, and varying of the pulley diameter to change the gear ratio."

    (I think this appears earlier in this thread.)

    The term has, however, been variously used to describe motorcycle-engined cars and microcars, somewhat to the detriment of clarity.
     
  30. Ned Ludd
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    Not complaining; just saying :)

    The front-drive BSA is 660kg (1455lbs) and 1185cc
    The Georges Irat is the same weight and 1097cc

    An early GN is 432kg (950lbs) and 1087cc
    A later Amilcar is 565kg (1245lbs) and 1094cc

    Compare those weights to the 1912 classification I posted above.

    By contrast "Chain Gang" Frazer Nashes are about 800kg (1765lbs) and 1496cc (depending on spec)
    But the Austin Seven "Chummy" started at 363kg (800lbs) and 696cc ...

    Just a bit of perspective
     
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