How to tell if a 32 3w is real Henry?

I'm looking at a 32 5w and I didn't realize the 32 3w sitting next to the car with a for sale sign on it. The car looks decent so I asked the guy about it. He said it was his dads car but he liked the 5 window better so he didnt take a real interest in the car. He said he was pretty sure it was an original Henry body. Im going back on Sunday and I need to know how to tell if it's an original Henry body and not a steel reproduction. pictures are always a plus

 

I believe that Brookville is the only steel reproduction manufacturer and they just started doing that in the past year or two. You can look through my thread at the bottom and get a pretty good idea. Mine was missing the firewall but someone can post what it looks like. Good luck.

 

The Brookville bodies are stamped differently than the originals. Brookville bodies are stamped as whole complete body sides whereas Fords were not. Look for the weld seam locations on the backside to determine how this one was done.

 

If the car is finished you can look at the doors.The inside door skins are stamped in 1 piece . the originals were stamped in 4 or 5 pieces and spot welded together.

 

Like I posted before but I deleted it earlier. Remove some of the interior panels and check the backside of the body. But my question is why wouldn`t he know if it wasn`t an original body if his dad owned it. It`s not like it`s a cheap car in a poormans hobby.

 

Look at the ***le and see when it was first registered. The Brookvilles have only been around for what, 6 years or so.

 

My sentiments exactly..

 

As everyone suggests..The Interior structure is much different in repo bodies,,,bracing and all is different from originals

 

In general comparison, how many people have a 3w that is in comparable condition to a newly made repro? I would think walking around it once would tell if its beem around 75+ years or not.

 

I agree that the Brookville has been around such a comparatively short time, that it will probably become obvious once you spend some time looking at it. Here are some pictures of the inner doors that might help. Also, if it has the original floor and cross rails, the rear floor of the 3W is pretty distinctive (Brookville's is different) and there should be a Murray Body Corp. tag under the seat on the RH side, pic attached. I'm thinking that Brookville might have put a tag on their bodies identifying them as theirs, but not sure.

Like someone else said the body top or turret has the seams in different places, maybe someone will have some pics to illustrate that.

 

That should do the trick. Of course, if you haven't been around old cars much, you might not be so good at figuring it out.

 

Do Brookville bodies have the door tins? These are a thin strip of metal that is screwed in the door jambs. If not, this might be an easy give away, especially the top panel with the screws that covers the wooden header over the door.

Jay

 

They have them for sale, so I believe their bodies do use them.

 

I just read an artile about Brookville. They took one of there 31 roadster bodies , front fenders and aprons and mounted iton a stock ch***is. they restored it to original specs and took it to a national Ford Meet where they won the TOP HONORS. They told them it was a repop. The judges were fooled and pretty pissed.

 

The welding process Ford used left a unique seam on the inside of the body,.. It was very thin and stood off the surface from 1/8",.. to 3/16" (approximately). Brookville not only does not have this, but the body seams are in different locations,.. on the outside surface,.. the only thing I can remember is Brookville hinges are bronze,.. and Ford are steel.

 

I was wondering the same thing. But after I started talking to him, I soon realized that he was not knowledgeable about the cars at all. He knew nothing about the cars (or any cars for that matter) except that a guy came by and offered him 35k for the 5w. He is a middleaged guy who doesn't have an email, doesn't use the Internet, im not even sure he has a phone and it sounds way too good to be true. And when it sounds too good to be true it usually is. His house is where he has the for sale sign on the cars and is miles down an empty road (I came across it while hunting and always meant to ask about the cars but never followed through). He said that he would like to get the same for both of them but when I told him the 3w wasn't worth nearly as much as the 5w he asked me how much it was worth. I told him I'd look it up. The 3 window is a fully running car, fenderless, artillery wheels and the reason I didn't notice it was because it was under a cover in the garage and he just pulled it out.

 

dude
3 windows are worth more than 5 windows
fyi

 

Send me the guy's address and I'll go check it out for ya....

 

Dam... that was my next reply

 

I'll start hunting if it means I can find deuce coupes, and tell the owner the 3w isn't worth as much as the 5w.

 

I really enjoyed reading that! That's good stuff!

 

Biggest difference is in the way the body panels are joined together. Brookville stamps their body side in 1 piece instead of 5 as Henry did. Then they use flanged/overlaping joints that are spot welded together leaving no exposed weld whereas the original has a conntinuous raised weld on the interior of the body seal. Additionally Brookville stamps their body number on the front cross rail on the driver's side. It will be a "star" followed by the two digit day, two digit month and two digit year the body was made followed by a series of "0's, then the body number of the particular type of car being produced the two letters indicating the type of body, cp, rd, pu of the vehicle followed by another "star" stamp.
In addition Brookville uses cast br*** door hinges and flat rear floor over the rear end housing.

 

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Dam... that was my next reply
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haha this all sounds to goood to be true....

 

Lol!!!!

 

Is this a 'barnfind Brookville"?

 

i dont know whats more crazy... that this could happen or that the person it happened to posted it on the hamb... haha

 

You can stop with the speculation now, guys. I picked up both of the bodies for two grand. You can verify that they are the same bodies as aforementioned, by comparing my pictures to those in the first post.

 

Love this pic. Safety gl***es? We don need no steeenkein safety gl***es!!! When men were bad..ses who got the job DONE!

 

Not to mention the white shirt and vest,.....

 

Dam.. not to mention the welding flash..Bet that dude went blind early, my eyes hurt just looking at the picture