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Neglected-Overlooked V8s

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by F-ONE, Mar 13, 2010.

  1. d2_willys
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    Next project: 374 Packard to a dual range hydro, the car, I have no idea, perhaps a 53-55 Nash Rambler airflyte wagon. They look cool and did use the hydro, so I would just have to adapt the 374 to the hydro, and of course shoehorn the big V8 into the little Nash. Easier said than done, but always fun.:cool: Hey maybe a Nash Healey!
     
  2. RichFox
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    I would think a 352 packard with a Ford top loader in a Vega would be cool. But the Vega isn't a HAMB car.
     
  3. Left Turn
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    damn I forgot all about the Cosworth GAA, I was thinkin' more along the lines of the 1100c.i. Sherman tank GAA..
     
  4. sunbeam
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    The 270 hp 327 ramblers in the early 60 were some of the fastest cars of there day. The reason most people don't know there weren't many. 270 hp in a car that was lighter than a 300 hp chevelle.
     
  5. Pontiac 421 SOHC, are you Malcolm ?
    Pics please
     
  6. nailhead terry
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    o.k 427ds CHEVY truck motors are the same as 427 car motors is not right !! we looked for truck blocks because the deck height is a .250 taller than a 427 454 car block. Before merlin blocks this how we built 500" plus big block chevys my nova ran 9:80s with a dump truck block aftermarket main caps, studs, heads and intake spacers best I remember and a hank the crank crankshaft not cheap but extremly fast !!look above the water pump pads its easy to spot one !!
     
  7. Thanks for that pic. Any more of the induction, heard that's some type of experimental single 6 barrel as opposed to three 2s

    The standard tale of lore that's told is that pontiac made only 3 of them using modifications to Ford castings for heads. Two were destroyed in testing and malcoms is the third.

    Also saw on the net, since the Ford heads are being repoped, they will make you a repoped pontiac sohc 421.
     
  8. F-6Garagerat
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    I've got a 1955 265 Chevy goin together with an Edelbrock C355 tripower intake, early Delco Dual Point, for my Model A pickup project just for the fact that I dont see them very often.
     

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  9. Lono
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    I put one in my 33 plymouth sedan delivery project. Why?
    Because when attending a car meet and some self important know it all asks me, " what is it," I can tell him its a 327 Big Block... and he'll think I'm the idiot. I did find a guy who will make zoomies and an intake for it.
     
  10. don't forget thr Studebaker v8s...232, 259, 289, 304....nice compact little runners !!
     
  11. cheapracer
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    Ferrari 308 3.0 V8's can be gotten cheaper now for something a bit more exotic.

    In Italy because of older tax laws both Ferrari and Lamborghini sold 2.0 V8 versions in the 70's/80's and a FIAT 2.0 V8 was actually avaliable in their up-market sports car the "Supersonic" in America in the 50's.
     
  12. Wild Turkey
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    Thats road GRADER, dude:rolleyes:

    The engine you are refereing to is the "tall deck" big-block that came in 366 and 427 cids. To get the longer stroke for truck work they extended the block height 0.400". This meant that intake manifolds, etc wouldn't swap out, causing much confusion, and the heavier 3 compression ring pistons didn't like high revs, adding to the performance problems.

    And since there were at least two 427s using about the same block too many folks didn't do their research and grabbed a cheap 427 and weren't happy.

    But they were torque monsters in their range, and if properly built could embarras people:cool:
     
  13. Model T1
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    Talk about Chevy neglected V-8's ! When's the last time you saw a 1917 Chevy V-8 in a hotrod ? Yea 1917 !
     
  14. fiftyv8
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    It would seem the three common reasons for an engine to be neglected are numbers available, hot up items and general capacity to provide increase in performance. Not as popular as the Ford flatheads but offer more stock HP.

    Yet nowadays we seem to be all looking for something in engines that is related to nostalgia or that is different or interesting looking.


    Going by the chat the flathead Cadillac 346 cid and Lasalle 322 cid engines were neglected since they have not really been given any air time here.
    Even though after WW2 it seemed they were everywhere.

    They have always been around, but more recently started to get attention for what ever reasons.

    I am interested in these engines and it seems supply and demand forces have now given these engines another opportunity by a new generation of folks who are wanting to make use of them in hot rods again. This is being achieved by hot rodders producing their own versions of hot up parts almost in a cooperative way to finally make something of these engines. There have been some early modified parts produced for these engines but have been either expensive to acquire or hard to find.
     

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  15. stainlesssteelrat
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    the 73 330cij industrial Ford is a way overlooked mill, they put em in uhals,
    durable as hell and i bet they'd handle some power.

    the huge Hall-scott V8's are neglected to, they have all the ass in the world.
     
  16. Another oddball V8 which has not featured in this thread so far is Toyota's V series of V8s - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_V_engine - built from 1963 through 1998 when it was replaced by a V12. I don't think it could be called neglected or overlooked - it just hasn't really come into the radar.
    The V8 was only used in the Century, Toyota's top line model, and was a hemi type engine supposedly influenced by the smaller Dodge hemi of the 1950s. I have only ever seen one, a 1979 model which had throttle body injection.

    There are some pics here of the 4V (not 4 valve - just the 3.4 litre one between the 3 litre 3V and the 4 litre 5V) - http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~filez/Surf4V.htm

    A British oddball was the Autovia V8 built by Riley in the 1930s which featured two of their two-high-mounted-camshaft blocks on a common crankcase. Haven't found a good pic of one yet.
     
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  17. fiftyv8
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    How about the Dodge 413 or has it been mentioned?
     
  18. RichFox
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    Not completely neglected. but not real common. My replacement for my now sold Packard V8. 386 Lincoln + .060 with a 317 truck crank. Makes 363 cid. Same as the Pack was. Cut up and fit SBC injection. Put Lincoln flanges on SBC or other similar headers that are cheap. Work out the internals. Put it in my Stude and head for the salt. Mock up shown. Meet Honest Abe.
     

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  19. Ned Ludd
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    1928-35 Lancia Dilambda, 24° V8:
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    Single cross-flow cylinder head with four plugs on one side and four on the other.

    Too rare really to qualify as a neglected or overlooked V8, but a strong contender for the weirdest.
     
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  20. Smokey2
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    They put Cadillacs in Studebakers..................

    (jest ribbin ! Stude V-8's ran Damn Good ! Most Overlooked.)
     
  21. outlaw256
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    WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!! tall deck 427s are a different breed altogether.i do believe he is talking about the big truck engine not the pickup. 366 and 427 engine are not a good motor for hotrodding.
     
  22. Truckedup
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    Well,take the tall block,deck it about .050,add a 4.25 stroke crank and 454 parts and you got a a some what inexpensive 496 engine.Of course a 500 inch Rat is no good for Hot Rodding :D
     
  23. sunbeam
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    A ford 300 is 1/2 inch shorter from the bellhousing face to the waterpump flang than a 250 chevy.
     
  24. Tatra T603 V-8. 2.5 litre, air-cooled hemi. :eek:

    800px-Tatra_T603_Engine.jpg
     
  25. falcongeorge
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    400 mopars are OVERLOOKED??!! Someone needs to get out more...
     
  26. TheDozer
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    I think they're overlooked in the sense that most people prefer a 383 or 440 to the 400, but the 400's are pretty common, and make a helluva 451 stroker so the word "overlooked" may be extreme.
    The olds 307's are overlooked most people just chuck em.

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  27. Truckedup
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    The 70's Lean Burn engines got a bad reputation for performance issues and cracked heads.In fact a lot of late 70's V-8's had major issues,Chevy cams,Fords sucking valve guide seal parts and seizing oil pumps,Pontiac timing chains,Caddy head gaskets on big blocks and the piece of shit small aluminum V-8.
     
  28. bobscogin
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  29. Rusty O'Toole
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    How about the Olds based 5.7L diesel from the late seventies - early eighties?

    Basically a heavy duty Olds 350 with rods etc from the old 455 Super Duty, and forged pistons. You can change it to a gas engine with a cam, head and intake change.

    Then bolt on a supercharger and pile on the boost. Take advantage of all the heavy duty diesel spec parts.

    I have seen speculation about this for years but has anyone done it? I know a lot of them were converted to gas engines but did anyone build one into a blown hot rod?
     
  30. TheDozer
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    those diesel 350 blocks are gaining fame for their build ability, at least among Olds guys.


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