I know there are halibrands and franklins, I know they are not cheap, and I see modern ones in "stock cars". What is the traditional hot rod ones? what if anything, is interchangable with others?how much can I expect to pay? Are/were they kits, or complete? What year car(s) do they use parts from? Are new the same as old? You get the drift. I humble myself before the almighty HAMB
http://www.wintersperformance.com/2010 Street Rod Rears Catalog.pdf These are new ones. Some more traditional than others. You can buy a centre to go into a Ford V8 rear (banjo) or a complete unit. I have one of these I'm happy with. The hard core tradionalists would go with a Halibrand.
We sell Rodsville, an almost exact copy of a Halibrand but better. Rodsville is better material, thicker where it should be thicker and is machined all in one process. We will also repair and set most makes! Need help contact us!
As a owner/user of a couple Halibrand V8 qc's, I totally disagree. For me, the best thing about a Halibrand is you just don't call and buy one. The difference between any copy and an original. I'll take the pain in the ass original.
Most well known traditional is Halibrand. Most desireable for traditionalist were made in Culver City. Three basic designs, Midget (Model A), V8 ('33-'48 Ford passenger car) Champ ('39-52 Ford 3/4 ton) Almost all commercial quick changes were/are based on these. Some interchangeability between manufacturers, virtually none between series. They were sold as kits but mostly new ones are sold complete today. You can get one for $50 - $5000. Average it out at about $2500. I hate to be sacriligous but Halibrands were not the best, just the most available. Winters is the modern day Halibrand. I'll build you whatever you want!
Try Hot Rod Works website to give you some idea of prices and types of options for Halibrand and Rodsville rearends. http://www.hotrodworks.com/
Tried that and got basically nothing other than ? On how to narrow one. Maybe because I was at home using the iPhone version???
I was talking to the owner of Kiwi quickchange recently, and theres a lot of diffrent manufacturers throughout the world. Very interesting subject. His ones have a Kiwi cast into the rear plate. Hes retro4 on here. Probably cheaper with exchange rate.
Reason I was asking is I found one for sale for $1600 and almost bought it, because I want one, but then realized I know almost nothing about them! This particular one was supposed to be a 46-48 ford, and had a bunch of extra gears with it, but no brand name anywhere... I really want to go with a more traditional one (like the one I found for sale), but will the older ones hold up to a 400ish hp Hemi? Or are they strictly for flatheads and such? Obviously the newer ones would, but what about the used vintage ones?
No, the old V8 quick changes are no stronger than a Ford banjo rear end. They use the same guts. A Champ sized rear end is up to the job but heavy. Converting to street uses can get complex depending on what you start with. Winters makes a V8 style quick change that has a locking differential that will handle 300 hp. Plan on spending a little more than $3K for that one. Not a perfect match to the old Halibrand V8 QCs but a good choice if you are not obsessive about period correctness. Halibrand made a finite number of quick change rear ends. They are desirable and rarely found at bargain prices. The Rodsville is the way I would go if I wanted one for mild hot rod. The Rolling Bones use them and that is good enough for me.
So they are pretty much for REALLY light cars and/or low hp mills right? Sound like they won't hold up to a healthy hemi... I will check out rodsville - like you said - anything those guys have is bound to be good and have plenty of test miles on them. Thanks to all for the input.
No, don't be scared. If I was going to put a real 400 HP motor in front of a quick change, I would use the Champ size. It will take 800 hp with sticky tires in a Super Modified. It is 2" larger in diameter than a V8 style. If you have to have the smaller unit, detune the Hemi, use skinny tires, use every trick internally to beef it up, and be ready to take it apart once a year to make sure it isn't about to scatter itself. And if it does, don't cry, just fix it. "There is no crying in baseball or in hot rodding!" - Tom Hanks
Hali's are sweet but the coolist of all are the homemade ones! There's a bunch of threads on here that show them. Just too cool. As soon as I get the time and the balls I'm giving it a shot. I've wasted way more money than that on stupid stuff already. I might add the Hali's, in particular the Culver City's, are notorious for ripping pinion bearings out of the case. If your buying one that you can get your hands on, inspect carefully around the bearing flange for weld work. There not trashed if welded up. Like anything else it's up to who did the welding/machine work.
Any V/8 quickchange behind a Hemi could be a risky situation. Champ rears are strong, however they can look "clunky" in the wrong application. It can be expensive and difficult to find these parts, but something like this would look right at home behind a Hemi and it would not let you down. Halibrand champ center, side-plate adaptors with V/8 housings.
Wouldn't hurt to pony up for 1-ton style full floaters as well if you're planning on running a sticky tire.
Here. Read and then go type "quickchange" in the the search box. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=148241
I have a frankland I'll sell 486 gear spool 31 spline lots of gears it needs all new bearings in it 600 bucks
Here are the pics, 12x2.1/2" brake, I am not sure if they are Buick parts, that is what I was told. They were a staple of "Supermodified" racing in Northern California.
The Winters V8 Quickchange is good for 500 HP on the street, as long as you arn't side stepping the clutch with slicks. I've got one behind a 354 Hemi and it is great and fits the traditional profile perfect.
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