End of hot rodding and modifying in the uk ?

More bollocks thought up by a load of parasites who have to keep coming up with something to justify their 5 & 6 figure salaries. Invent a problem where one doesn,t exist then come up with solution no one needs.Fuck off and leave us alone.

 

Great to hear all the support from you guys..thanks, and also want to take the opportunity to thank Neil (The Wrong-Un) & the VHRA for their level headed response
The sooner the EU goes pop the better!!

 

Unelected parasites at that. The sooner we can get out, the better.

 

If they do this we will just have to take our now worthless cars and leave them in the middle of the London roads. Should take a while to sort that lot out.

David

 

For sale; 34 5 window coupe with 354 Hemi 6 x 97 carbs & 5 speed manual box.Will swap for Nissan Micra or similar, must be bog standard no mods, no fluffy steering wheel covers or any other add ons.max 1200cc engine.must have original air still in tyres or won,t be allowed to use it due to being modified.

 

It´s totally unenforceable anyway. How is some DoT monkey supposed to know what was original equipment on a 1952 whatever?
Also, if they drop the MOT test for pre 1960 cars, then they can hardly turn round and tell you car is illegal as it´s modified, when there is no legal requirement for it ever to be tested to determine if its legal or safe or not.

 

Can it be challenged and delayed in the court system until you can rally enough support to stop it permanently?

I imagine your economy is struggling now as ours is. How many custom, tuner, etc... shops will be closed and people out of work? How much money and taxes will be lost from this move? Can they make retroactive laws in UK?

I hope you beat this because if they succeed other countries might try the same bullshit in countries like Canada and the US.

Does this effect motorcycles too? Get them on board too.

 

I think insurance companies that insure us should get on board, i'm not insuring something I can't drive!

 

Similar sort of thing happening in Ontario, Canada. Ministry of Transport is enforcing pollution control standards on all modified vehicles. If your car/truck has original motor or pre-80 motor, and no visible emissions, you're in the clear. HOWEVER, if you've swapped out a motor from a post-1980 vehicle, your rod/car/truck MUST meet the emission standards for the year of the motor and have ALL pollution controls in place. This includes crate motors, etc. Enforcement is apparently very strict with reports of rods pulled off the road and requiring immediate compliance and inspection. There is a movement afoot to put an end to this nonsense!

 

And legislation like this will continue until people assert their right to certain freedoms. If the founding fathers could be resurrected they would spend all their time and energy starting an uprising.

 

Leave out "Korea" and you also have a perfect description of what killed the British motorcycle industry. Small world, isnt it?

 

I posted this over on our Volkswagen bus site,

http://thelatebay.com/index.php?topic=16218.0

 

Well, i tell you what.
Same thing happens in my country. For a 25years or older car you have reduced yerly road tax, which is basically a tax on property, so it sucks, and it shouldnt even be there in the 1st place, and we have reduced insurance forthe same veichles as well, granted theyre not daily driven.
Its true that someone takes advantage of it and uses an old van for work to pay less taxes. But can you blame them? when average insurance is around 1k?? I think until the system screws us its our right to try scew it back.

Also, we have MOT every 2 years anyway if you wanna drive, noi escape from that. And no modifications whatsoever as well.

Anyway, i doubt a little 1% of classic car "cheaters" caused the EU top try stop it, whoever told you this has his info wrong.

Agreed. On american cars. On domestics is sorta easier to get caught.

I notice a lot of difrent legislation throughout the whole of Europe, like somone can modify, some one cant, someone is in the middle.
I think EU sucks. I'd be happy if it sink. I was poor before it, im even poorer now, so really all its done is kickin me while i was down.
The British have been the smartest not wantin the stupid Euro.

 

I´m not so sure. It´s not like there is any kind of 100% accurate database for any of these old cars. Different models, different suppliers over the life of the car... and so on. I doubt there is anyone who actually knows every different change on some old car from the 1950s.

 

Police would probably just pull over anything that didnt look normal. Its not hard to notice a body kit or a hotrod. There probably arent that many cars out there that some expert somewhere couldnt tell if it had been modified.
It would be time to buy my stock 59 caddy.

 

Yeah James, agreed on what you say.
What i mean is that many cops that pulled me during the years knew what car i had, as their dad or them had one, and knew what i did to it.
Some on the mods on my Ford are easy to spot also, but thats another story.
Ford can still provide data sheets on older models thou, i know cause i asked them for one to check a couple of oem specs.
Anyway, dont listen to me too much, Italy is probably the worst country for this, and i hate it so much i really bitch passionatley about it.

 

That´s not it though. Say someone swapped a back axle on your car forty years ago, for a similar type, perhaps from a later version of the car? Is that going to get you banned on your otherwise stock car? Or what if it was a similar looking axle from a different type of car? What then?
Also, how can they possibly drop the Mot requirement for pre 1960 cars, which on the one hand says that you don´t ever need to be tested, and then turn around and try and test you to see if your car is 100% original? Can´t have it both ways I´m afraid. Either there is a legal requirement, or there isn´t. None of it adds up, which makes me think it´s BS.

A `59 caddy, with petrol prices as they are in Europe, means it isn´t so much a car as an art installation these days.

 

^^ yeah, TBH i thought about that as well. Seems odd that pre 60 anything can drive without even being MOTted, with all that it will imply, while the rest of us (post 60 model year owners) are all doomed.

 

This is getting to be a world wide problem, in Germany it is getting really tuff to import any modified vehicles.

 

Back here in late June a pal had his work truck defected by a cop for, amongst other things, a dented tailgate. He had a broken tailight- OK, fair enough, fix that. But body dents? We're talking a crease dent, no tears, no threat, made on the top lip of the gate by a mattock or brick, the kind of thing any builder's truck cops (pardon the pun).
Defect notices are some industry here. And that same cop, we've since observed, prowls the beat regularly, raking it in. I doubt I need to mention the handicap this crap is to the small business operator.

 

UPDATE:::

here...

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=26260

 

Good news. So it seems moving to the UK is still a good idea, and that my country has still one of the tuffest legislations against modified veichles... how nice.

 

Hi bonez,

I think i would wait a while before you start packing your bags. There is nothing on the Dft site to back that phone conversation up.

I know from experience over here in the UK, you can ring a DVLA office in one town and ask a question, then ring a DVLA office in another town and another, 3 offices all asked the same question and you get 3 different answers.

This thread makes for some interesting reading.

http://www.nsra.org.uk/newforum/showthread.php?t=56070

Cheers.

Russ.

 

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Hi All,

These couple of E-mail replies from a couple of Members of the European Parliament (MEP) look encouraging if they can get enough MEP's on board.

Copied from another HotRod site.

Dear Sir/Madam

Thank you for your email addressed to Stuart Agnew MEP. He has asked me to reply on his behalf.

I can confirm that Stuart Agnew MEP and his fellow UKIP MEPs are very strongly against this proposed legislation and will vote against it. Our MEPs are opposed to the very principle of an unelected European Commission being the sole originator of all EU law, not least because it regularly produces repressive legislation like this without proper consultation or impact analysis.

However, our very great concern in this matter is the naivety of organisations that oppose the legislation, like the Association of Car Enthusiasts, who are drawing attention to this disaster in the making but seem to have very little understanding of the realities of the EU legislative process. I found this on the ACE website:

“… as shown later in this article, This is going to happen unless a member of the EC Parliament forces reconsideration.”

This is an astonishing assertion, given that the Commission generates the legislation and the European Parliament is merely a rubber stamping institution for approving it. People need to understand that there are 754 MEPs in the European Parliament of which the UK has just 72. Many of the 72 are EU enthusiasts and cannot be relied upon to vote in the best interests of our country on legislation like this. A single MEP hasn’t a cat in hell’s chance of getting a ‘reconsideration’ of this legislation. There is no actual debate in the European Parliament. Speaking time has to be applied for in advance and is allocated according to the size of the political group to which the individual MEP belongs. This may be as little as 1.5 minutes. The agenda of the Parliament is controlled by the Commission’s bureaucrats and MEPs may only speak to the items on that agenda. There are no private members bills, such as we have at Westminster.

MEPs may only 1) Try to amend legislation, or 2) Vote it down as a whole. Both of these options, to be successful, require widespread support from MEPs from other EU countries. This kind of support seldom happens and the voting down of legislation as a whole almost never happens. MEPs from the other nation states tend to be much more pro-EU and usually support the Commission’s proposals.

What I am trying to tell you is that this is going to be a very uphill battle, especially as the proposals have gone so far down the line. Unfortunately, this is now the form of ‘government’ that increasingly is running our country. Voters need to wake up to this and stop supporting political parties that are committed to EU membership, which is so damaging to our country’s interests and is such a clear threat to democracy itself.

We have received many emails on this subject and we share the concerns raised. Our MEPs will vigorously oppose this legislation within the constraints mentioned above.

Stuart Gulleford
Political Advisor to Stuart Agnew MEP


Office of Stuart Agnew MEP
UK Independence Party
145 New London Road
Chelmsford
Essex
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Tel: 01245 266466
Fax: 01245 252071


Dear Mark,

Thank you for taking the time to write to me over your concerns regarding the Proposed EU regulation for Vehicle Roadworthyness Testing.

Sadly this is just another example of needless meddling and an additional tier of EU Bureaucracy that nobody wants, much less needs.

I am currently personally involved in a campaign to have similar legislation affecting bikes thrown out, as the EU also wants to ensure that the many modified trikes, bikes and quads are subject to similar draconian and utterly pointless rules.

Just like the bikes, this legislation seeks, under the auspices of 'road safety' to effectively end the modification of cars.

I would be totally opposed to this on a number of fronts but here are my principal objections:

We already have a perfectly adequate system in the UK under the form of MOT certification. To add another EU wide certificate is unnecessary and an attempt to supersede our UK based decision making authorities.

Modified cars - provided of course they are deemed roadworthy by the relevant UK authority - add colour and fun to our roads and allow an individual to express themselves, often with fantastic results.

The EU is seeking the homogenisation of our cars and bikes, meaning that we cannot change them to suit our needs and personalities. This to my mind is an attack on a way of life for many, and indeed an attack on the huge, profitable and exciting 'custom' industry.

The laws affecting cars of 30 years and older are completely unrealistic: How on earth can a car of over 30 years old be expected to be kept in its completely original condition? Of course modifications of parts would be necessary to ensure it can run properly! In addition many would need new fuel systems or engines to ensure that they can run on unleaded or diesel as opposed to the now almost obsolete 4 star leaded fuels.

It goes without saying that I will be opposing this proposed legislation tooth and nail. It is my intention to raise awareness of this matter in the specialised magazines sector and national and local press, as well as lobbying my colleagues here in the European Parliament on the relevant Committee to ensure that, just like the bikes legislation, this idea is put to the legislative bin where it belongs.

In the meantime if I can be any further assistance please do not hesitate to contact me.

Best regards

Marta Andreasen MEP

UKIP South East England.

Cheers.

Russ.