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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Bigcheese327, Dec 4, 2007.

  1. got one, got one!! ooohoooohh!!

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  2. banjeaux bob
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    Marc pic Cars fron to back: Amilcar,Darmont,BNC,unknown,MGB GT.
     

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  3. banjeaux bob
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    GN chassis. Robin pic
     

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  4. banjeaux bob
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    Robin pic of unkown make of car.
     

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  5. Ned Ludd
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    It suggests Salmson bits on a GN frame. I like the fact that it is a coupé (dhc?)
     
  6. UKAde
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    It a salmson , they produced gn under licence in France , before they produced their own designed cars
    It belongs to Richard scaldwell he of the v8 jap,
     
  7. banjeaux bob
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  8. a-c-h-i-l-l-e
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    Hi Bob,

    It's not Amilcar and Darmont with the B.N.C. but a Salmson and Sandford.
     
  9. banjeaux bob
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    yes,Marc's Sanford! Thanks for the correction.Hard to tell from the side on the Salmson.

    Bob
     
  10. syncro
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    VSCC Rob Roy hill climb, Victoria Australia, last Sunday , reportedly found in a barn in France. It was running but failed to make a run up the hill, the official in charge thought it wouldn't make it up and would hold up proceedings!

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  11. chuxx
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    Thanks for sharing the pics, Synchro. Too bad they didn't let the Bedelia make a run.
     
  12. SanctaRosa
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    Yes what bunch of spoilsports :(
     
  13. onelung
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    I'm hoping to see it in company with our Sizaire in a hub run based from Goolwa, South Australia this coming November. The tow vehicle bringing it to South Australia from Victoria is, I'm given to understand, to be a V-12 Sunbeam aero engined device ... ex N.Z.
    Sancta Rosa may well be familiar with that vehicle...?
    Be assured - there will be photographs posted here to serve as a record of both!
     
  14. chuxx
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    Can't wait to see those two in action. Thanks Onelung!

    I'm planning the front suspension on my project and will go quarter elipticals and friction shocks. Some of the setups I've seen here have what appears to be a single leaf running parallel of the leaf spring pack like Scaldwell's JAP. Others run a bar from each frame rail to the axle. The Scaldwell doesn't appear to have shocks at all, which I guess is fine for a stiff springed racer, but not so good for my application. I'm not planning to run any hairpins and need to control the horizontal movement of the axle. Any suggestions?
     
  15. UKAde
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    The jappic front suspension is like this,

    On the bottom are quarter elliptic leaf springs clamped at the chassis. And bolted below the axle
    Obove the spring is a very long friction damper, the damper part ia used to clamp the spring in place and the arm extends forward and is mounted obove the axle

    The spring locates the axle side to side , on the jappic the damper has a trunion at the end of the damper arm which can be adjusted in and out to change the caster angle of the steering ,
     
  16. UKAde
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    Jappic pic

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  18. Ned Ludd
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    The fuel tank/dummy radiator arrangement also differs from the Bedelia norm. I suspect that this is a later model, after the makers have retreated a bit on the weirdness.
     
  19. onelung
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    A couple of my favourite Bedelia incarnations...
     

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  20. UKAde
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    Jappic update ,
    Right hand side of the chassis, is glued up

    Left hand side is clamped and glueing,

    Off on holiday for a week , but should have time to get the drawings for most of the metal work for the chassis done ,
    Have an offer for n engine but think it's possibly a scam as the pictures we is sending me are actualy from a friends flikr site of an engine he used to have , but I live in hope
     
  21. chuxx
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    I was just about to bug you for an update, Ade. Enjoy your time off and I hope the motor deal is legit.
     
  22. SanctaRosa
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    Yes I hope that engine is a real one too. The more pictures I see of the Jappic the more I come to see just what an amazing piece of automotive craftsmanship it was Ade.
     
  23. chuxx
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    Drilled holes today and bolted up the frame ImageUploadedByTJJ1345945760.865509.jpg
     

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  24. SanctaRosa
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    I see you start your test pilots young Chuxx :)

    You've made a good start there and the wood you've used looks really nice.
     
  25. UKAde
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    Well the news is the guy with the engine is a crook and trying to rip me off the pics were from a friends flikr site he sold the engine in 2009 and it now is in a motorbike in Kent

    I have asked the dodgy guy for his contact details so a friend can collect in person and pay in cash we shall see

    Hello Adrian,

    Sorry for responding late today. My eldest son had a seminar
    presentation this morning and I am his number one fan and could not
    miss. I am located in California, USA and I can ship to Oxford UK. I
    have inquired shipping and it will cost me around $150 to have the
    engine shipped to the UK via our local courier here. Kindly let me
    know if this will work and the best delivery time is 6-7 days.

    I'll need your full shipping information and phone contact and once I
    have it, we can proceed with payment and shipping


    Thanks,

    Kyle Werner
    +14088687377
    California, USA
     
  26. banjeaux bob
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    1912 Bedelia BD2. Vintage Revival pic
     

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  27. banjeaux bob
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    BNC 527 Monza. Marc pics Note the crank driven Cozette blower.
     

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  28. plym49
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    There's something I don't get about these types of rear chain drive setups.

    When the axle articulates (one wheel going down and the other going up), don't the chains get all twisted? And would that not make them want to jump off?

    Sometimes it is hard to keep the chain on a go-cart. How did the chain-drivers of old handle it?
     
  29. noboD
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    I'm only seeing one chain and no suspension. Unless I'm missing something. Other chain drives I've seen the drive axle pivots around the drive sprocket so the chain remains tensioned all the time.
     
  30. plym49
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    On the photo, I figured that the other side had been removed.

    I understand what you are saying about how the rear pivots. That is just fine for normal jounce and rebound (both rear wheels moving up and down together, like on a drag strip).

    But once you factor articulation into the mix, then the chains are twisting. Chains don't like twist and that can make them bind or walk off a sprocket.
     

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