No kidding here. I cannot tell by the image's sheen if it is primer or flat just like no one else can. I studied the photos in my dad's magazine collection for years. My dad was there in California and he lived it. He told me very few of the cars in the magazine did not have shiny paint. Look at the cover cars in color and then look at the same cars' photos inside. The black and white photos make the cars look like they are in primer or flat paint. I am not saying primer or flat paint is bad. Just pointing out another thing that people today try to rewrite in history to justify what they want to do today. And there were primered car back then. But they usually did not get in the magazines or the owner was usually saving his money for the last step to finish his project- painting his car.
Get your eyes checked they're 15's. But thanks for trying. As for the MII stuff, out of sight stuff gets a little la***ude.
Nothin' wrong with a great Mustang... car is off topic and off limits.... Jeez, too much caffiene already this morning
I thought that they looked bigger.... those ARE TTII are they not? As for the Mustang II stuff, well that figures, and makes sense.... kind of like an LS-1 under the hood with fuel injection.... "long as the hood is shut it is OK"..... Don't mind me today, I'm just ornery....I'm really not an ***clown....
So its fair to say that anyone that has a post 63 or so era "G***er" that is street going is not a G***er but just a hot rod. And the retired "g***ers" were morphed to street going detuned versions and full of Off topic stiff by then.
I might have been a bit rough on you with that answer, but I have never had any trouble with discerning the two in print. I can only think of one primered car featured in a Peterson publication during the H.A.M.B.'s stated era, and that was a '30 roadster on '32 rails that was featured in mid '61 and appears in the '62 annual as well. They didn't feature primered cars as a rule, but they were all over in the backgrounds of race shots and such. But this is the wrong thread to go too deeply into this subject here.
Ha Zman! I got the same thing when I put my Salt Flats on the Plymouth about 8 yers ago. Mine are 15" too, but the local "traditional hot rod expert" told me loved my car until I put those "17 inch billet wheels" on my car... Huh? Turns out he had never actually heard of a "sportmag" and didn't know they were mid fifties Halibrand staples! I've held one of mine in one hand and a '55 Halibrand sport mag in the other and the difference is minimal. The Salt Flat (another TERRIBLE misleading modern name!) is a pretty damn good replica of the first Sportmags in aluminum. Still not sure where your going with this one, 'cause even on the latest of G***ers I still see headlights and taillights, wipers, brakes and such. Although by the mid sixties you start to see the first of the Airheart 150 and 175 disc brake calipers fairly regularily. They made the scene about '65 or so. This made the 18" American 12 spoke practical for g***er use, and they were not too far behind, so I'd give ya that one. Look, this thread started out with a question about wheels that quite frankly make me cringe when I see them. They are an absolute contrary to the original spirit of what they are supposed to represent. On top of that, they are frequently missused. If you want to run them, go for it. But, when someone giggles a bit when you pull in, at least you'll know why. I have no problem with creativity, but like it or not, in hot rodding of all eras there are certain parts that were and are part of the deal no matter how you look at them. They all work together to form an image of a certain place and time. Sometimes the biggest project is to figure out what is what. When you stray too far outside of that place and time, the image is gone. It leads you right back to plastic armor and foam swords...
Been meanin' to answer this one for a day or two. I'd LOVE to see the picts of the family '55! Sounds cool as hell. Now, I'll giggle at your wheels, but I promise to be discreet so you don't see! As far as my "patina", that's kind of fancy word what a car looks like when it's been an un-garaged daily driver only car everyday since '96. I haven't had time to do the "every five year re-prime" for almost 8 years now. That "patina" includes five summers on the Washington coast, 360miles a day for 6 years driving to and from the city I worked in, a couple of trips to Cleveland and back to my office with the job before that, and several trips to the salt flats and Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada, Idaho, Oregon, and Texas. Oh, back and fourth to California events too. It's been earned... But, with the rebuild going on now it's goimg away and a fresh coat of DTM2000 in black is the program. I try hard not to be an elitist tool, just for the record! I'm just a life long hot rod guy.
Ha Ha ! We Have not Gotten to the Real Problem yet. Its Those Repro Rear Big Slot Wheels That are the cause of all this bickering. Geez Halibrand vs Et vs Chinese .Wow Im Constipated need to go ponder on this **** now ! Plus Where did 3in wide whites on slicks come from. never Seen eny when I was young. Only ones I have seen where Red or red & white 1/4 stripe Sears 7 inch cheaters in ^65/69 period. and every body had cragers or fentons
Next time I'm up at my moms, I'll have to try and get her to let me dig through the stashes of pictures.... We do agree on one thing, we are both life long hot rod guys...I've spent time on the strip over the years, have done circle track, have run a drag bike or (2) and have raced sleds on a semi serious level... I'm happy that the love for cars was p***ed down to me by my late father when I was very young, and my son has taken to cars and hot rods on a pretty serious level, he's 19 and has put together a twin turbo OT Ford that runs very strong... so drag racing is clearly in his blood.... BTW, try some SPI epoxy on that ride... stuff works great.....but does stay put...
the fact still remains, they didn't run that style wheel on real g***ers. the real 12 spoke spindal mounts were mainly on altereds, fiat topolinos, some henry j's etc... and a lot of them were 18x3. there may be a few tri fives, willys, corvette's, that ran the real ones. but i cant think of ever seeing one. and for those fake halibrands guys are running on the rears? don't get me started!
So what the hell do you do when you can't find a set of magnesium big windows suitable for high speed? Build a static museum display or G***er cackler perhaps. Restoration purists are the same
To the original post - Run the wheels you like and buy the wheels with the valve stem in the position you prefer. It is all about you, your personal preference and what turns you on......
you maybe mental, or your life is so perfect and compleat, that you can concentrate on these silly obsessions.other peoples wheels.
You may be confused as to where you are. This is the HAMB and we are concerned that the history is preserved correctly.
Here we go again... You settle temporarily for a set of accurate aluminum 5 spokes that are still plentiful and not too expensive when you find them, go to an apropriate steel wheel for awhile, save your bucks and search until you can find a pair of Halibrands you can afford, or do like I have with my 16" no hole Halibrands for my roadster pick up - work a deal to pay them off over the rest of your life with basic money and a weird form of indentured servitude. There are other options if you keep looking.
I'll just go down to local speed shop and put a new set of 16" Halibrand big windows on lay-a-way. That way they'll be brand new and I would have to worry about going 150 MPH on them. Oh wait, can't do that today missed that chance by a few decades.
Nope, I did too. But I have worked on cultivating freindships with other hot rodders for my entire life, and when a friend of a friend announced his no holes were for sale, my good buddy went to this friend and helped me set up a deal. I'm not a rich man, but I'm willing to work, scrimp and save to get the things that will make my cars what I want them to be without having to compromise. It's all in how you work things. And, for the record, I'm not nearly as bent about the Chinese rear wheels as some of the guys here. I just trace them back to their Mehellic roots in the late eighties and early ninties and deal with it. Only when some calls them "Halibrands" do the gloves come off. Again, the differences can be seen from outer space.
Bottom line is, these wheels dont even remotely resemble anything that was ever on the front of a g***er, and thats an indisputable fact. In the meantime, there are a BUNCH of wheels available brand new that DO at least LOOK like wheels that actually WERE used on g***ers, and none of current crop of "G***ER!" guys have ANY interest in running them. This speaks volumes about the current "G***ER!" movement. Cragar SS's, the 4" wide ET Cl***ic V's, and the Wheel Vintique peanut holes all look like wheels that were popular on real g***ers back in the day. But the current "G***ER!" movement is, above all else, conformity. nobody gives the remotest **** if your car looks like an actual g***er, but it MUST look like a "G***ER!", and a major ingredient in that formula is a set of fake, bolt-on, spindle mount wheels Funny thing is, its pretty clear by the number of "thumbs down" on this thread, those wheels have definately run thier course. Thank god.
What is traditional? In the early 60's, American 5 spokes were not traditional, they were new wheels. They became traditional in maybe 1970, or 1980, or whenever. All it takes is time. So the "Rocket" wheels will be traditional sooner or later. The **** Corvette restorers, are more **** than the **** traditional hot rod restorer guys. But I think the **** hot rod guys are catching up!
ha, fat chance. Theres always some bozo who will come up with some completely irrational, irrelevant crock of **** as counterpoint...
nobody was useing the word "traditional" back then. useing the word "traditional" to describe a car is a recent occurrence. and it's become very polarizing if you don't belive as others do.
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