Stolen hot rod in florida

didn't know my garage had to be air tight...what insurance company would require that?

 

Whether he actually stole it or not this will all come out and he should not be convicted on this board
As for the value of the car it does seem high for a glass car in this economy, but if he lied to the insurance company about the original steel body being part of the insurance value that could be a problem, but they wiill adjust this in there favor anyway.
A lot of us value our cars high even in our own minds.
The title issue in most states lets you title your vehicle to the year it most resembles even glass cars. as for the parts used in the construction. Well DUUUH isn't this how all build our cars.
As for the engine being new Well geez he did fully rebuild it so it's new. As for the fake bill of sale if he made one up that's on him, but maybe its the bill of sale for the parts and machine work that they are referring to. Maybe he stole his car and maybe he didn't that for the cops and courts to find out. I for one hope he is not guilty of this.
Maybe an over suspicious police officer with out knowledge of older cars and the construction of them and a insurance company that would not rather pay up when combined can be a horror story to all of us. I hope we never have to find out. Good luck to all involved including his family.

 

At what point does a car become "assembled from parts" ?? They ALL are assembled from parts pretty much. Yes, we might have a 32 frame and body, but what about the aftermarket front end, or the 9 inch rear we got out of the junkyard, or the engine we bought at a swap meet and rebuilt ? What about when we put Brookville fenders and a Rootleib hood on it ? How about a 55 Chevy gasser with glass front end, straight axle, and glass doors ?

Hell, half the stuff on my cars came from swap meets and you know no one there gives you a receipt as you are dealing with an individual, not a business.

This whole thing is really disturbing. BTW, what exactly is Racketeering ?


Don

 

I just read the Daytona article just a rehash of the original article.I will reserve judgment. I wonder how many of us have forged a bell of sale for the parts we needed to start a car without thinking of the concequences. Although trying to buy back the parts is not the wisest thing to ever be done. sorta like doing a drive by without rolling down the window first.

 

I could ignore the story if it wasnt for this part:

"Gallentine's friend told investigators that Gallentine had told him about how someone could break into his garage through the wall. He also told his friend that he thought about “fake stealing” the car in an effort to make money off of an insurance claim because he would never make enough money from just selling it, Haught said."

Hopefully he is innocent though. I wont pass judgement based upon what I read here or on any other website. Time will tell the truth I imagine.

 

Justice is blind,We have always heard innocent until proven guilty unfortunately a lot of our members believe Dave is guilty until proven innocent.

I hope he is not involved in insurance fraud and is involved with the theft.

At this point I would like to hear Dave's side of the story. HRP

 

Without looking it up its a pattern of behavior or actions that may be legal in and of themselves but when put together are meant to deceive or result in a crime - common charge for organized crime/maffia

 

I had no idea that this stolen car was the same car from the poor man 32 Ford build. This thing IS getting really messy. No wonder the State of Florida is pissed. They're saying he's a crook for titling a glass car as real deal steel Ford? Don't know how the DOT is in Florida, but the one here in Texas doesn't ask many questions on old cars. If you've got the right paperwork, they pass your ass through the line no questions asked. Could just be that the DOT of the State of Florida fucked up, and this guy is becoming the turkey hung out to dry. It makes no sense to me then why the insurance company appraised a glass 32 for $70K. One mishap enforced by another mishap? Sounds to me like the State and the insurance company are saying collectively, "We fucked up so arrest him." Merry Christmas, right?

 

In Kentucky when titling a car there is no option of mentioning wether the car is glass or steel. If it looks like a 32 Ford thats the way its titled, a 32 Ford. In other states it must be different and some cars must be titled as assembled parts. Isn't that why California was after Boyd?
If states start prosecuting folks for assembling cars out of parts, more rodders then Hot Turkey will become a bad mans boy friend. Isn't that what a Hot Rod is assembled parts?
As far as Hot Turkey goes, it looks like the only solid evidence they really have right now is the the false engine bill of sale. Where is the Tax Evasion?
My cars are insured with Grundy for agreed value and were never appraised. Theres no requirement for an appraisal.
It will be interesting when we learn the rest of the story on Hot Turkeys 32.

 

So,I take it you believe in vigilantly justice,,grab the rope we don't need a trial! HRP

 

According to the other article in the Daytona Beach News Journal, the insurance fraud seems to stem from the fact that he submitted forged papers to claim $90,000 and the insurance investigators decided the car was only worth $70,000. I hope he didn't make up phoney reciepts to get more out of his insurance becasue that would not be good regardless of who stole the car.

 

I went to his post history and read all the posts he made on this thread, if he is involved he sure put on a great front. The opening line in his build thread kind of has a new feeling now after reading the link Ryan posted

I agree with those who say, wait untill we have or know more info, public lynchings sometimes have a way of backfiring.

 

other than his friend yapping about having his car stolen all I see is an investigator on a mission.. and some sort of title fraud.

 

This all just fucking sucks. Sucks for him, guilty or not, sucks for his family, his little girl and all of us.

 

I agree with HRP and Ghost. To paraphrase Ryan, just everybody hold yer horses and just WAIT for the U.S. justice system to work. There's a reason it's called a "justice" system. None of us HAMBers is a duly appointed judge, nor a juror.

Like all who've followed the build thread, and the theft thread, I'm as aghast as anybody at the current developments. But we don't have the right to try Dave here on the thread. Let's let the system work.

As I always say: God Bless the HAMB ...

and, God Bless America.

 

As an insurance investigator the WHOLE story looks suspicious...
However, I will wait for the outcome.......
Florida has a hot rod clause in their title system.
However, the vehicle has to be inspected and the VIN and mileage verified
on a form. This inspection can be done several ways. Through a trooper, new or used car dealer OR taking the completed car to the DMV.
If you go though the DMV they will ASSIGN you a VIN, usually one that is on the frame or body.

 

I for one do not believe everything that is reported in the paper or on the net.I don't know about you guys but if i had to take a voice stress test on any subject i probably would fail.Its always funny to me how a paper will have something like this for a headline and then when it turns out to be incorrect the revised article gets buried on page 96 in a 1" column.

 

Well now all this is interesting. As we all know newspapers exist to make money. What sells? Half truths, misconceptions, scandal, etc. They do not print all of the story just what will sell. This fellow is being tried by an uninformed jury right now. As far as registration MV employees know how to deal with the mundane and not the unusaul. That's why the counter people usually have to call their supervisor over to assist and then they call their supervisor, etc. Could be as simple as that. "New Engine"? Got it for free but is as new after rebuild. So you need insurance for a rebuilt engine not a piece of trash. The questions on the forms usually are not thorough enough to state the reality of the situation. Built by the owner... how do you place a value on your work? It is worth something re: the value of the vehicle but how do you state that value since you didn't pay and get a receipt for the work? As for the "friend" I'd be checking him out. Maybe a bit of a frame-up? Be patient as the whole story is not known by anyone yet. By the way, the "justice" system is a rather out of date concept but it sounds nice. It is a "legal" system and the two are different.

 

My thoughts exactly. I'm going to reserve judgement for now. I don't like the way that story reads. It sounds like a witch hunt to me, but I will hold out until we know more.

 

I sure was not expecting to read this! I was just looking for a safe return of his car. I hope he is innocent but it don't look good at this time.

 

A voice of reason!! well said!! Pete

 

And he would've gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for those meddling kids and that damned dog

 

^^^ This! We can't sell papers with out bad guy's, even if we have to manufacture them before hand.

Also, I wonder when the SD investigator's performance review is. We can't get promotions without bad guy's, even if we have to manufacture them before hand.

I think we all know our insurance company would much rather throw us in jail than pay a claim of any kind.

Sounds to me like a guy not so different from the rest of us caught up in a very bad situation. Is so easy to imagine all the things people on this board have proposed he probably did and so hard to imagine an overzealous investigator out to make a name for himself combined with an insurance agent who really hates to cut a check for $70 or $90k. Lets give this guy the benefit of the doubt, huh?

 

I have been running this thing through my head since I read about this today. What sticks out to me is that the police have no concept of what our cars are or what they mean to us. They equate a stolen hot rod or custom to something like a stolen Honda Accord.

The reason I say that is because the police were suspicious because he asked the insurance company if he could buy back any parts if the car ever was found. THAT IS THE FIRST QUESTION I WOULD WANT TO KNOW THE ANSWER TO ALSO. My cars are part of my family, and if one were stolen and recovered I would want first shot at getting it back, regardless of the condition. Hell, even if my daily driver were totalled or stolen I would want to be able to buy it back because it means a lot to me.

As for the "inflated value", how do you put a price on months or years of your own blood, sweat, and tears, not to mention all the consumables you use like sandpaper, grinding discs, laquer thinner, etc, etc ??? The "agreed value" IMO is what you and your insurance company both agree would be fair to get you back whole again if the car is totalled or stolen.

No one put a gun to the heads of the insurer, they are in the business and should have enough saavy and experience to ask the right questions and make their decision based on that information. And what is this "airtight" garage thing ?????? Before they take your money all they want to know is if it is in a securely locked garage, not that it is hermetically sealed.

There is more to this story than any of us know at this point........we just need to hold judgement until it all comes out. I don't know if he did it or not, I just hate to think that he might be involved.

Don

 

Well , I admit I got sucked in hook line and sinker . Looks like he used the HAMB as a stage for all this B.S.

T

 

My 2 cents - not that anyone asked

Value - I don't know why all these folks are surprised at a glass car being valued at $70,000. believe me there are plenty of glass car with more than that in them. I did a glass coupe some years ago in my shop that had over $65,000 IN PARTS and Paint! Not labor - PARTS and PAINT that was done by an outside shop. The insurance company insured it for $85,000, knew it was a glass body, and that figure was low to build another one just like it. Remember, when it comes to insurance, value has to do with what it takes to make it exactly as it was the instant before the incident (whether that be theft or damage), it had nothing to do with what it would sell for. And most of the classic car insurance company's will tell you that the vast majority UNDERSTATE the true value in agreed value policies and those that grossly overstate are usually watched carefully for fraud and or are denied that amount of coverage

Some of you are getting hung up on whether the motor was New as in crate or new as in rebuilt. That is NOT the point, the point, according to the report is he FORGED a Document that said he Bought a New Motor - That is fraud, plain and simple!

I am not passing judgement on this guy, I don't know him, but if the statement by his friend is true about how easy to break into his garage and about faking a theft for the insurance money, then he is either the most unlucky guy in the world that the exact scenario came true, or he is guilty as hell and pretty stupid.

 

On patrol in the N.W.

 

The part I have a hard time believing is that the police and the insurance company would risk the fallout and possible lawsuit that would be sure to follow in arresting a guy who is a father in his home a week before Christmas over a difference in an insurance claim and miss registered vehicle unless they had some pretty damning evidence against the guy.

 

I'm with you Don, we should not judge till there is POSITIVE proof... might just be a comedy of errors... anybody can be charged with very litttle, if any, proof.

 

Doesn't matter...end of the world is this week. It must be true as I read it on the internet.