Hot Rods What do you think??? Buyer unhappy

Maybe you misunderstood him... He probably called himself an "Outlaw Bilker"

 

welcome to the used car business. I hope nothing comes of his threats.

regarding the bill of sale...was the car titled in your name?

 

Says he's an Outlaw biker, in reality he probably has a 'Sons of Anarchy' shirt he bought at Walmart and a chain drive wallet....

Report the threats and forget about it.

 

Threatened to burn your house down? He should have been arrested already.

 

Call the Police. Then, tell him you're and "Outlaw Hot Rodder" and there are alot more "Outlaw Hotrodders" in Cincy that have your back.....

 

There is something to this.

Especially if there was any rust you didn't disclose.

Was there anything that he saw later that you did not disclose?

This is very important. Because if you did really screw the guy, even if you didn't "mean to", then you have to acknowledge that and do the right thing.

I recently took a car back because the car I sold had so many problems with it I missed. I was running a little faster than normal and missed some things = the guy that sold me the car was a lied and screwed me on some things.
These didn't become evident until I sold it to the next person.
I missed it.
So I took it back. My customer is happy, I can fix it on my own time.
And sue the guy I bought it from. As is does not cover misrepresentation like so many people think.
It has nothing to do with me being a small dealer.
It is just the right thing to do because I did screw my buyer by mistake.

So again, did he find major rust that you didn't point out?
You didn't hold your breath, and hope he didn't see it?
Be honest with yourself.

If you pointed it all out. His issue. Decide if dealing with the guy is worth it.
If he was an idiot when you met him, then was it your fault for selling it to him? I discourage idiots from buying. You Have to screen buyers / the public when you sell to them or deal with them. Many are not worth dealing with.

If you did screw him. Even by mistake.
I would take it back.
It is the right thing to do.
The money exchanging hands as is should not decide your actions, but you should always do what is right. Even if it hurts you financially or physically.
Words to live by.
Also, if you did screw him, then he in his mind has a moral superiority, which makes him extremely dangerous. Not advocating his threats at all, but if you did wrong you know it deep down and you bring whatever happens on yourself.

You asked for advice....

 

He probably went out and blew it up and now he wants to back out instead of getting his wrenches out and fixing it like a real man. The world is full of assholes that don't want to take responsibility for their own actions, now he wants you to pay for it. What a jackass! I'm betting something went wrong with the car.

 

So true.
How about the title?

 

You sold a car with no Bill of Sale to someone you had never met before
who left with the car and you have no idea who this person is ?

No, I don't believe it ....



Jim

 

this and do it now....you dont know how crazy some fuckers can be in todays society

 

Sakowski, you sure don't seem to look at "as is" like the rest of us on here. Now if you're a dealer, you may have some other responsibilities or liabilities, depending on your state - whole different kettle of fish. As an individual seller, which I gather our friend here is, "as is" means just that. It's a contract, and nothing on that contract says anything about vehicle condition other than odometer reading.
Like many others, I have had buyer's remorse. One '66 Nova will live on in family story telling forever I'm sure - big mistake on my part. But, just like the buyer here, I inspected it, drove it, and made my own decision. Stuff happens - I wasn't happy, but no one held a gun to my head to buy it. I was just a dumbass.
The lesson I see here is to always always make a Bill of Sale, copy to the buyer and seller. Paper trail, if for nothing else then to prove you sold it in case he never follows thru with title transfer. If he robs a bank using your vehicle still in your name, and the cops find your car, guess who they're gonna come looking for? And in this case, the seller would have a name and address to report to the Law.

 

Love thy neighbor but keep your gun oiled.

 

I think this guy has picked a bad week to make threats of physical violence. Find out where he lives and call his local police.

 

and oh yeah, as is, he looked at it, he climbed under it, he drove it, he bought it....give his money back!? gimmie a break, he bought the fkn car and life goes on. fuck that dude, call the police

 

I had a guy tell me he was an ex-convict, after an accident. I told him, " Good. Then you'll be going home."

The law LOVES to tackle a "badass". And as said, "outlaw" biker? Really?

 

Are we becoming a nation of crybabies, or what? The whole idea of negotiating the price down on a purchase is to cover the intangibles and to give yourself some cushion for what you might have missed when you looked at the car. Somehow this dipshit thinks there should never be any surprises when digging in to a 50 year old project car. Maybe he should stick to outlaw bikes, because he sure doesn't understand the car hobby. Make sure you are safe - get the police on your side - and let the big baby cry by himself.

 

Screw that asshole....call the cops and see how much of a outlaw he is then!

 

Hahahaha!

 

I'd be more concern with what the outlaw may have done with the car in the past 9 days. Crime wise. Especially if it's still in your name.

 

I have never sold a car with a bill of sale,I thought a notorized title with their name on it was proof enough and never got one with a car I bought too so its probably time I changed my way of thinking. I have bought cars that when I got home was a little more worse then I thought but going back and demanding my money be returned was the last thing I thought of since I was the one that looked it over and forked over the cash.

 

Only time a bill of sale comes into play is when there is no title, in my experience. Ohio requires a notorized title, signed by both buyer & seller, before a new title can be issued.

 

Report him to the authorities,too bad you don't have his name and address,,I bet the "OUTLAWS" don't like the idea of posers passing themselves as members. HRP

 

Bought and sold hundreds of cars. Had a few buyers do the same. I just tell them to come on and do what you may because here in Texas when you come on my property unwelcome...well you know what will happen.

From a legal perspective, I sold a car similar to yours and the buyer fried the clutch 3 days later and asked for money back. My response? Sorry can't help you, that car was sold in "as is condition."

I've even bought a few cars that I regretted but never asked for money back. It's my fault that I was so stupid.

 

It has nothing to do with being a dealer. If I disclosed all, was honest, etc. I will not take it back.
It is as is. If the motor ran well when we inspected, and later died. It was as is. The chance we all take with new and old cars.

But: if I sold someone a car that had problems that I missed, that did not line up with how I represented the car or anything else in life, I would take it back.
I am not talking legal this and that. I am just talking about doing what is right. I don't care about the "legal" side of things, and when
I hear people hide behind, hey "it was as is" when they screw someone.....
Just because someone glances under a car you sell them doesn't give someone the right to screw them.

I don't just take cars back, I just always do the right thing and never hide behind the law. Which doesn't shield you from things like selling a rusted out car and representing it otherwise.

NOT saying that is what happened here. I don't know.
Just answering the question.

 

I would like to have an answer to was the title in the sellers name or not before the thread is closed. And why close. Let's just keep out any threats of violence etc out.

 

His buyer remorse isn't your problem, if he's truly unhappy with it he just needs to flip it again, been there, done that with stuff I've bought. Yeah, call the police and file a report and possible restraining order. Just remember that in itself doesn't protect you, just gives them something to go on AFTER he shows up if he does. Ya gotta watch your own back. We're dealing with a simular situation with a customer who pulled a car from another shop and had us redo everything and a lawsuit was started. Previous shop owner made threats to the car owner and me. The guy is a nutjob so I have my own "9mm restraining order" handy case he shows up!
Also good advice about getting proof of sometype whenever you sell a car. A friend of mine sold a car, just signed the title and let it go. 2 months later the guy that bought it blows a stop light, hits a car and injures 2 people. He ran. Cops run the plates, plate and ownership is still in my buddies name. Guess who got sued for the damages? Of course my buddy dropped the insurance when he sold it as well, turned out to be a $20,000+ lesson. In NM there is no paperwork to fill out and send to DMV showing you've sold the car so I always fill out a bill of sell and make copies of it and the signed over title as well as keep my plates (NM the plate belongs to the owner, not the car) whenever I sell a car.

 

Have someone put a message on your voicemail that says, "This number has changed; the new number is not listed." Then let all calls you dont recognize go to voicemail.

 

First, call the cops and inform them of the threat. Second, notify your local "Outlaw" biker friends that this guy is posing as one of them. Third, when the guy calls again, tell him what you did. Fourth, arm yourself at home, just in case. That should cover it.

 

So, is the OP who started this thread gonna reply regarding the
question of a title asked at least a couple times now ?

Unless I am mistaken, you have to close a title at the time of sale
in Ohio - so assuming this car had a title to convey in the name of
the OP who started this thread .....

The title should have closed at the time of the sale

This is a valid question with no answer posted to date



Jim

 

Interesting Tread. I have never sold a car with a bill of sale. I did buy a bobcat once and the guy gave me a "legal" contract he got at staples listing everything that was wrong with it and even some things that were not wrong. I imagine it was so I could not come back on him if I found or did something to it myself. We both signed it and we both got a copy. Think I might do this the next time I sell a car just to make sure the buyer has thought about everything. I have had a car be fine one day and not so fine the next who is to say if I did it or the previous owner. It happened when I owned it so it was mine to deal with.