GASSER MUST HAVES and cant haves?

Nope 1971 tain't no Gasser in my book either, no cut fenders No Gasser!!

G Don

 

What about stroked BOSS 429"s, electric fans and coil overs? Before you answer and I show you the rest of the picture, this is a car currently running under "strict" rules. So there are plenty of liberties being taken all around.

 

"the tubbed rearend is nowhere close to any gasser rules,"

Are you saying there were rules that excluded narrowed rear ends in the gasser classes back in the day?

Are you sure the real reason you didn't see them back in the day might have been because there were no wide tires?

 

Moonrocket if you were there and I'm sure you were why didn't you come over and have this talk in person instead of waiting until you got home to your keyboard.

 

Here's the rules for the race that is in question with the 58 ford y'all be the judge.
General Rules:
All classes: $1,000 purse for Quick 8 Eliminators
All vehicles must pass NHRA tech to run.

Should have vintage style wheels; They don’t need to be old original wheels, just styles that were available in the ‘60s:5- slots, 5-spokes, Halibrands, Cragars, Americans, steelies, wires, factory wheels, hubcaps or moon discs. We'd like wheels limited to 16- inch diameters, unless pre-war wires.
If you have a set of custom, vintage "looking" billet wheels, such as taller smoothies that have "the look" of something traditional but are modern, please send us a picture of your car to get the go-ahead. If it's rubber band tires on 24s, don't bother.No modern paint schemes
No wings, front spoilers or other aero enhancements unless specified in class

No modern stance—that means “Not slammed to the ground!”

No electronics

MSD-style rev limiter okay; may not be used on launch

No modern hood scoops

No modern “bullet”-style or bug-catcher blower scoops

No nitrous

No turbo unless specified in class

Cast aluminum or iron intakes only. No sheetmetal intakes.

Vintage-style U-Fab tube intakes allowed

We’d like to see vintage style or stock wheels here, no modern hood scoops, no modern paint schemes, in keeping with the theme of the event.

No Pro-Mod, Outlaw, or tube-frame cars.
Gasser
No wings or aero mods.

Chopped tops allowed.

Wheelie bars allowed.

SHOULD have a traditional gasser stance—nose-high, baby!

 

it would fit in the late 60's at the end of the gassers not early to mid 60's it was easier to cut out wheel openings and rear ends got narrowed when small cars came on the seen Anglias and Austins

 

Maybe he was confused-maybe thinking of the old 5.60-15 tires?(Check out the old Goodyear Power Cushion 3-Ts.)

 

the transition year was 67 because 68 mustang's camaro's and cuda's became gassers and the stance was low and level (no rake)and on the roads the cars went from street freaks to pro-street george montgomery had a blown cammer in 67

 

I was wondering why you didn't come up and speak to me! Hell I had the best looking "Gasser" there!

You were pretty busy when I visited. I spoke and you spoke back. It was early in the day and honestly I didn't realize the day was going to go as it did.

I don't have any beef with you or your deal other than you guys running to start with then quitting after you saw how fast the 58 was. IMO if you felt so strongly that the 58 should not be allowed to run Gasser then you guys should not have made the first pass and ask to be refunded your tech card cost on the basis the rules had been relaxed too much.. That's it.

Personally, I'm so hard headed I would have made him earn every round. And the fans would have had the opportunity to see more of my stuff. The fans don't really give a hoot who wins or looses.

Early in the morning as soon as the 58 came back from tach I asked the guy what class he was running. When he told me Gasser and HR I was wondering how it was going to go. He also told me his best time and I assure you we didn't get to see that either.

Honestly, if I had been classing cars, it would not have been in the gasser class. You and I both know what the car is, it's a sportman bracket car, and a damn good one. I would have put him in HR. So we agree on everything really, other than the quitting part. Don't you feel like the fans were cheated out of getting to see you guys doing some cool racing? There would have been a lot more action and as many runs between your group as you wanted to make. You could have stolen the show! That would have made you all winners instead of quitters. It's not like there was big money, champion ship points or title on the line. It was suppose to be a fun day beating on cars, that's all.

Hell, I enjoy running cars faster than me, if they win no big deal, after all they were supposed to. But if I win I can crow about it and give them hell from then on!

At this point not that it matters, the promoter did post on the event web site before the event that the class and appearance rules would be relaxed for the first event to help get the car count up. I would have hoped you guys would have been more supportive of helping to get a new local event off the ground.

Sounds like you guys might be happier just running closed events under your rules until the day that a set of rules are adopted and strictly enforced at every open event.

Maybe we'll have the opportunity to meet again before too long. Until then safe racing "Gasser" style!

 

Although I think maybe this thread has gotten off point I'm going to throw in my 2 cents.

The 57 does not fit the stated rules for the "Gasser" class for this race. If the stated requirements had been geared more for a car like this one I don't see the folks Quain races with showing up. If I had been in the area and saw a race advertised with a class as stated I would have been dissapointed to find that this car racing. Nothing wrong with the car, it's a nice car, but does not fit into the rules for this race.

Moon Rocket-

You're very lucky to be in that neck of the woods to be able to participate in a group like this. We here on the west coast are working to get something like this together. If in fact this is all it would take for you to run your 56 with Quain and his folks I say you should do it. That being said, I find there are more "if I wanted to's" everyday. So until you do you might want to keep it to yourself lest you create more drama.

Quain- I like your rules, they liken back to the spirit of the class. You folks stick to your guns and I see more who will want to participate within the rules.

 

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"You're very lucky to be in that neck of the woods to be able to participate in a group like this. We here on the west coast are working to get something like this together. If in fact this is all it would take for you to run your 56 with Quain and his folks I say you should do it. That being said, I find there are more "if I wanted to's" everyday. So until you do you might want to keep it to yourself lest you create more drama."

I'm just a provokertear at heart I guess.

And the real reason I wouldn't make the changes to my car to competitively run in a group is that I'm too old and slow and I enjoy driving my car on the street anytime or where I want and would have to sacrifice that.

I'm sure Quain's group would allow me to run as is, and I'm sure I would enjoy it, they seem to be nice enough folks. But I would be much slower than they are.

I'm just trying to look at it from a fans prospective, not that we matter.

 

Not tryin to argue, 'cause that is ridiculous!
One could say "real 'race cars' are trailered" but real hot rods or as I prefer to call them "street rods" are driven hard on the streets and play at the track.

 

That car has a VERY cool Boss 9 power plant,but aside from that not a damn thing about it meets the spirit or intentions of the rules set out by Quain and his group to keep their racing very authentic looking and as close to period correct for the fans as possible.
The thing is,if you let one car into the show with incorrect wheels (which INSTANTLY wrecks the look and kills the authenticity),a slammed stance with a modern race car chassis (the wrong stance can wreck the vibe almost as fast as the wrong wheels),and any othe glaringly obvious deviations from the planned program,then everything just sorta goes to shit and it's wrecked for everyone.
That car is so far removed from the cars in Quain's group that it might as well be a flip top funny car or a modern Pro Mod car.
Personally,I am glad Quain and his boys stuck to their guns and dug their heels in when the promoter yanked the rug out from under them at the last second.Good for you guys!
Also,somebody's doing a lot of chirping....for a guy who hasn't showed up with a car to run yet!

Scott


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Scott thanks for the kind words and thanks to everybody else that has supported us on the hamb. Nobody can image how hard it is to try and keep this in order as best as we know how. Moon rocket posted that pic of the boss engine like it was in the 58 ford that is in question but it was not, that engine is in the 57 ford that was there running with our group. Some of the things that he has posted has me wondering if he was really there yesterday. Maybe Moonrocket can post a set of rules on here that he thinks we should use.

 

That BOSS engine is in the "Bone Shaker" 57 Ford ,and even though it's a Ford it's bad ass.

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JULY 19-20 2014

 

I thought that looked familiar from someplace...!!!

Scott


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"Also,somebody's doing a lot of chirping....for a guy who hasn't showed up with a car to run yet! "

If your talking about me I actually made as many passes (2) as Quain made yesterday!

I just made mine during test and tune and didn't give a shit if there was a top fuel rail or a rat rod in the other lane. Mine is what it is and what I'm lined up with doesn't make it any less or more of what it is.

If everybody felt that way there would be a lot less drama and hand ringing over what someone else is running. Hell the burnout contest paid more than winning class did.

 

And Quain,
I think somebody
Should "Nut Up or Shut Up" and either run a car with your group or stop throwing stones.....Somebody's always gotta eff up a good thing.Fack.

Scott


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I don't guess you can't count I made 5 passes as did the rest of our group 1 was the test run before 10 oclock

 

Making passes in test and tune gives you about as much right to beak off to the guy who organized the whole gasser class,as flying a paper airplane gives me the right to call the Air Force and tell them they're doing it all wrong.
I currently run an o/t 13 second car that is waiting for the bigger,better motor.I don't go around talking smack to guys based on the motor I "could build for the car if I wanted to".
Anyway.Lets all bury the hatchet here and get back to Gasser Talk,and enjoying the HAMB,before we get this thread slammed shut on our dinks.lol!
This is a pretty cool little thread,with lots of good input from real Herod of drag racing like Quain and Don,and it would be a crime to lose it.
Thanks guys,for all your hard work and dedication.

Scott


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Moon Rocket it sounds like someone else made the bullet and you fired it. The 58 looks like a home track car allowed to run or a ringer. Ohio George ran a boss nine at the end of the gas wars. He also was one of the guys that started the demise of the gasser class. tube chassis 4 link and newer bodies made the super gas class.The big three were involved and wanted cars that people could relate to.
If you have to ask what is or isn't a gasser.......???

 

Actually when I posted the pic of the 429 I noted that it is in a car currently running under your "strict" gasser rules and never said it was in the 58. And so you know I was there, the picture was taken sitting right behind your carrier and your car was right in front of it.

As far as what I feel the rules should be, I feel they should have nothing to do with the cars appearance. They should be based on specific weights and measurements ratios, I.E. displacement/weight ratios. A car should have to meet a minimum weight and a maximum displacement in any given class. For a "Gasser" the fuel type should be gasoline not to exceed a specific octane. I would have a maximum rear tire size. I would adopt NHRA safety guidelines so events could be run on NHRA tracks.

I would have at least two different classes. One would be period <64 and the other would be >64. Each would have their specific engine rules governing aspiration type, material type and displacement etc. Each class would also have it's specific suspension minimum and maximum ride heights to be measured from a specific point. <64 cars would have to utilize suspension components typical of the <64 era.

By adopting hard measurable guidelines a car ether is or it is not. It takes arbitrary judgment out of the equation along with the associated drama. There would be no more, well it looks like it belongs or it doesn't look like it belongs with every Tom, Dick and Hairy having their own opinions.

This is off the top of my head, but if you give me a week I'm confident I could come up with a very comprehensive set of rules that would be fair.

I might even throw a curve ball in the mix like maybe, no <64 car could run a faster ET than the fastest ET recorded for his class in 1964!

 

I'm going to take powrshftr advice and drop this, but it sure is hard to not make another comment.

 

I must have missed some of them, I did leave for a while to take another guys car home on my trailer because he had driven and blown his trans if that point really makes a difference. (See, I'm not a complete SOB)

I only saw two in person before I left and you guys had closed down when I got back to the track.

I just got to ask, why would you make five passes and then stop?

 

If there was a class called "A/Gas Bag", Moon Rocket would be "Top Eliminator" every time. I don't see anything wrong with Jeremy Pearsons "Bone Shaker". Boss Fords came out in '69, and his car weighs 3500 lbs, and the small block cars hold their own against him. Jeremy is one of the founding guys of this group and the orange 55 Chevy runs out of his operation too. I applaud him for building not one but two bad ass gas cars!, and 57 fords are one of my favorites. I will also post pics of a Willys that ran here on the west coast back in the 60's with FE power and coil front shocks. Moon Rocket, if you think all it takes is power and a trans, bring it on!

 

I agree, we have gotten a little off track here.

I hope everyone, including Quain, realizes I clearly stated I would not have put the 58 in the gasser class. As a matter of fact I have not disagreed with anyone other than to voice my disappointment, of folks that pulled out, as a spectator.

My hole point has been, if your going to play in someone else's ball park your going to have to play by their rules.

I'm ready to move on before I tell you what I really think!

 

But wouldn't it be a whole lot cooler with a nasty ass Y block in it! After all, just how many nose high 57 fords do you think were being build to run A/G with BOSS engines in 1970.

 

"Moon Rocket, if you think all it takes is power and a trans, bring it on!"


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