GASSER MUST HAVES and cant haves?

If your asking if I'm willing to set by while people continually post examples of what might have been if up as examples of what was, no.

If you take the time to actually think about some of what I post you might actually see I make legitimate points instead of throwing spit balls at me personally.

To this point the only standard I have seen posted currently in use to class a "Gasser" is how it looks and what kind of damn wheels are on it. NHRA had a standard back in the day, there could be one today. Hell you think people didn't cheat back then!

Sounds like we all pretty much want the same thing, that is until someone points out that your, mine or one of your hero's shit just ain't right! Then the pissing match is on!

If you don't feel my post have validity or value simple ignore them. You know what they say about arguing with an idiot, other people can't tell the difference between us!

Hell I bet you can't actually site an issue that we disagree! Well other than if a 57 nose high Ford with a stroked BOSS is a traditional gasser car from any era. Shoot, I bet we even agree on that!

 

Why don't you knock it off with those negative waves (channeling Oddball).

Back to Zen.

 

1965,1965,1965,1965 move that other crap somewhere else...

 

Now thats funny.
That looks a lot like the Alt Zakia car in one of it's many forms.

MELTDOWN DRAGS
JULY 19-20 2014

 

How many current NFL referees played football in the NFL? Or what NFL team did Roger Goodell play for?

Sometimes it takes someone from outside who has not been drinking the Kool Aid.

 

How do you go from completly clueless...to the foremost authority in 6 months?

MELTDOWN DRAGS
JULY 19-20 2014

 

Sigh.....

So... You don't know me and we have never met but for some reason you find it necessary to accuse me of being a dishonest racer on a public forum to try to prove your point? You are a piece of work dude.

My point was that any rule that can't be checked is stupid and useless. But coming from you, it makes perfect sense.

As I said... Carry on my man...

 

That's a nice looking car, I'm back to center now!

 

Not taking sides here, but DAMN thats funny!! Sorry Moonshot, But man I TOLD you those things would come back to haunt you...

 

Fuel checks have been around since the late fifties, VERY easy to check...

 

I would bet you've been Drinkin' more than Kool Aid.

This whole pissing match began with you arguing with Quain about HIS racing group that runs in 2013.
So now you're trying to equate his rules to 1965 rules by the letter of the law?Thats just dumb.He wants to race his car against his buddies cars,and put on a food show for the rest of us while doing it.Good for him,good for us,everybody wins.
Then you just keep harping on it,and you take change your tune every time somebody challenges you.Like a politician....only a politician probably runs a faster car...!


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Tunnel ram stuff.

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"......... I kinda think Ridgeway and Carroll Caudle were developing tunnelrams at the same time (around 1966). Edelbrock looked at Caudles intake and asked if Caudle would send it to him to check out and Caudle did it. Edelbrock cut the intake up which kinda hacked Caudle off. Edelbrock sent a wooden prototype to Caudle to look at----and it's still sitting on a shelf at Caudles shop, he never sent it back. At least that's the story I get.

And as far as tunnel rams and the "late" crossrams, they were developed around the same time. The factory Chevy staggered crossram was developed for Trans Am racing that required a "stock hood", so no tunnel rams were allowed. The Edelbrock STR-1/Offenhauser staggered crossrams were a take off on the factory Chevy unit. Chevy had done the engineering to make them work with their 302 and it worked so well that you could plug in one of their complete 302 packages and be pretty competitive drag racing too.

Larry T

http://www.maxchevy.com/columns/mcfa...farland-2.html

BTW, under the "don't believe everything you read" (even if it's written by someone famous), Modified Production didn't have to run "an intake with factory numbers" and factory carbs. I could be wrong (believe me), but I believe Caudle ran Holleys."

Cut and paste from an earlier thread.

 

Instead of throwing spit balls why don't you actually make a contribution of your own to the real issues being questioned? Seriously.

 

Simple, by paying attention to what other people say. When they make valid points consider implementing them.

See I'm smart enough to realize some of what I know simply may not be true!

Try it sometime.

 

Yep, that was too funny! But hay, I took your and other folks advice didn't I!

 

Moon beam your going to get this thread closed... PLUS your bashing some people that if you did some research are heavy hitters in this field. Grew up around it and raced it in the day.
The boss is a pretty unique engine and a true car guy would appreciate that. Technically a 454 did not come out to 1970. whoops call the law... Nothing against them. Technology did the gassers in.

We would like some more history and pictures of your real d/g for our education on 56's

 

You're right, but the 454 was out before the end of the gasser era, and additionally since the BBC it's based on came out in 1965, then it's not a huge issue to see cars with BBC in them during the earlier gasser era. Many of the big time racers were boring and stroking the 427 when it hit the scene, well beyond the 454 ci size.
If you're separating the pre '65 gassers for the purpose of this forum's cutoff date, then I guess we'd have to exclude the 454. But we'd also have to exclude the Ford SOHC engine if we did that. I'd hate to see such historically significant engines omitted from the history of gassers.

 

No, I think I'd find numerous things you've posted that I wouldn't agree with, and probably as many I could agree with. I'd really just prefer to get back on the topic for this thread, and hope you can also.
I don't have any heroes here. And those I respect can speak for themselves.

 

There ya go. That is the answer. Everyone run the same fuel and all is good. I'll look for the fuel check station at the next gasser race I attend.

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It's interesting that your cautioning me I'm stepping on some toe's and in the same breath your agreeing with my position regarding the BOSS engine?

I'm not scared of the "heavy hitters", facts are my sword! If simply pointing out that something was or was not is considered "bashing", well. I don't agree.

"The boss is a pretty unique engine and a true car guy would appreciate that."

There was never a nose high "gasser" campaigned with a BOSS engine I'm aware of. If there were I'd love to hear about it.. Why in the world would anyone have done that when SOHC 427's were a dime a dozen after NASCAR outlawed them. Even I know that or is what I know wrong?

If your really interested in seeing pictures of my car there are plenty of them posted in different threads here on the HAMB. I'm not hard to find.

Regarding this thread getting closed, as long as we all remain civil why would anyone close it. And maybe if there was more focus on the points of discussion instead of me it would help move things along.

Hell I'm starting to believe I'm the "heavy hitter" here, after all I'm all you guys seem to want to talk about!

 

Royalshifter likes customs....

 

Good deal! I'm on board!

 

Please look up the Malco Gasser, Mr. Gasket gasser, and others. They weren't running at unsanctioned tracks.
I know Lamar Walden was running his Vega in the NHRA's southern division. He also ran Pro Stock, Stock and Gas in the division going back to '57.

Without digging too deep into it, engine set-back of 10 percent is figured thus:
the front spark plug can be behind the axle center line a total of 10-percent of the vehicle's wheelbase.
I do not know if that number is based off of the FACTORY STOCK wheel base, or the wheel base as it appears on the race car being teched.
But a 100-inch wheel base means the engine can be set back with the No. 1 spark plug a full 10 inches behind the axle center line. Consider most of them came from the factory with the spark plug AHEAD of the axle center line, 10 inches behind moves the whole engine back a good distance.
With the Kellison, it was a fiberglass kit car body, essentially. So I'd imagine the tech inspectors would measure Zoro's wheel base and then determine where the engine could be placed.

-Brad

 

427 SOHC was '65


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Right on many points! The engine setback was 10%, and that 10% was of the stock wheelbase since Gas class did not allow the wheelbase to be altered. But the engine setback rule could really go astray if a driver went to the full 10% on some cars, as the NHRA also had a rule that the driver's seat needed to be in the stock location, and not more than 4" farther back than stock. So if you pushed the seat to the middle you were DQ, or if you moved it back too far you also were DQ from Gas class.
Tube frames were a 1967 change, so NHRA allowed them after that year, along with fiberglass bodies, in the top classes.

 

Yes, so was the first BBC 396. That's why I said "if we're separating pre '65 cars".

 

Brad I am aware that tube chassis cars ran at unsanctioned tracks,including F Troop. F Troop tried to pass tech at NHRA in AA/GS in 68 but were not successful. They went on the outlaw circuit like a few others.

As you know gassers as a term has become somewhat blurred but most can at least argue that it ran under some sanctioned rules during some era, be it early 60s, mid 60s or whatever-pick an era. I have an original tube chassis "gasser" in my barn and I ran with guys that ran gas in 68-70 so I am mildly familiar with the era. When it comes to flip top cars, you and I may have to agree to disagree on what really classifies as a gasser. All of them are cool drag cars and I suppose the argument is what keeps threads like this alive-Jim

 

Ah,I misread that....I gotcha now.And I see what you're saying about the 396/427/454 issue...it's all bore and stroke,and nobody sees it anyway.Pretty hard to be "incorrect" unless you have x-ray specs,right..?
This is a case of a big turning point in the class,too.Within a couple of years,guys went from 301ci sbc being a really hot setup for a local or regional level car,to 396,427 or more being a contender and suddenly bringing a bunch of power to the table...
I believe a bunch of others on here are sorta correct in believing that Ohio George contributed to the end of the Gas Classes with his aerodynamic,modern blown 427 Cammer mustang and his turbo Boss 429 Mustang,but it began even before that,with Fords involvement and sponsorship money providing engines that were unobtainium for the average working guy.
It would have naturally progressed that way anyway at some point,as all racing inevitably seems to,but George and Ford accelerated the curve greatly.

Scott



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There, fixed it for you. Your comment was a fuel rule was unenforcible. BULLSHIT.

 

Poor old Ohio George gets the blame often for his switch to the Mustang in '67, which Ford pretty much pressured him to do. But there were other Mustangs being run in Gas classes a couple years earlier! Al Lynch from Monroeville, Pa. ran a '64 Mustang with a blown SBC 265 in C/G several years before George went to a Mustang.
I think the thing with George was because he dominated the sport often, and his new Mustang was no exception, so many people followed his lead after his Mustang won AA/GS Nationals in 1967.