GASSER MUST HAVES and cant haves?

I noticed that too,and it steered my choice toward a Hilborn 4 port unit.I figured the same as you,that it was in an effort to keep things a little more 1964,and a little less 1968....


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Although those butterflies do look sooooo killer when they snap open for a burnout....


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You have me testing my memory but I could have sworn they ran in A/SP. My memory has been known to fail me at times though-Jim

 

My mistake. I just went back and checked, and you are correct. The early rules did cover no engine relocation.
One of the things I found that was of interest to me stated that all cars in the street classes (Gas, S/R etc.) had to have current title, and license plates current for the year and state of the owner!

 

Wasn't making an issue under stand what your saying. It was directed else where.
And in that direction ohio george ran a 67 mustang sitting on his 33 frame with a cammer after the cammer. a 429 boss before building the maverick

 

I thought they ran Modified Sports like Corvettes, and other sports cars.

 

That's pretty cool.....I always understood that the class started as a place to run hot street cars,but that kinda slips your mind when you're thumbing through photos of Maz and SWC hanging the wheels 3 feet in the air with a blown Hemi and a HydroStick!
I'm not knocking em,but in a way,many of our favorite cars are as far removed from the original spirit of the rules,as George's Mustangs were from the Willys that he rendered obsolete with Ford's cubic dollars.
That being said,he probably could have gone rounds with a Briggs & Stratton if you told him it was all he could run!


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No problem! We're having a great discussion, and enjoying the various points made here. And I'm learning/refreshing my memory too!

 

I never remember one running in M/SP although I did not pay real attention to the class prior to 67. This is something I just stole off another site

"They were only eight Dragon Snakes ever produced, (7) of which were powered by a small block Ford 289 engine and only (1) powered by a big block 427 “side-oiler” engine. The car pictured is the most successful Dragon Snake (CSX 2093) to ever emerge from the Carroll Shelby shops. This car won over 7 NHRA national events and was crowned the 1966 NHRA World Champion in the AA/SP class. Ironically, this particular car was not a designated Carroll Shelby team car but a customer car sold to a private individual for competition participation in the Midwest and along the eastern seaboard of the United States."

Jim

 

Bruce Larson ran A/SP with his dragon Snake. His was a 289 not 427

 

They ran BOTH

 

Not counting the many privateers. There was a red one that ran at maple grove. I believe the guy still owns it. And i remember one at Capital looking for a picture I believe both were 427's

 

I found this info concerning the Super Snake Cobras:

"Owned by Jim Costilow and piloted by drag racer Bruce Larson, later of USA-1 Funny Car fame, the Dragonsnake dominated the NHRA’s A/SP, AA/SP, B/SP and C/SP classes in 1964. It set all new records in the 1965 season and won the NHRA Springnationals, Winternationals and U.S. Indy Nationals that year. The Cobra was so successful that it overshadowed Shelby’s factory-sponsored Dragonsnake, much to Shelby’s dismay, and thereafter factory support for the privateer effort began to dry up.
Later, with subsequent owner Ed Hedrick behind the wheel, CSX 2093 went on to win the 1966 Springnationals and U.S. Nationals. It also chalked up class wins at the 1967 Springnationals, Winternationals, U.S. Indy Nationals, and finished out the season with the World Points Championship. It continued to set records in 1968. All told, CSX 2093 held national titles in four separate classes."

 

Hi Jim. Looks like your memory is fine. CSX3198

"The car was delivered to Harr Ford in April 1966, and the following month, on the 427 Dragonsnake's maiden outing, Zuidema annihilated the existing NHRA A/SP national records at Island Dragway in Great Meadows, New Jersey, thundering to an 11.48/127-mph timing slip on what, literally, was one of the Cobra's initial passes. In June, he knocked down his own record at Sanford, Maine, stopping the clocks at 11.15 and 127 mph. In July, he again lowered his own record, setting the e.t. half of the record with a 10.87 at Madison, New Jersey, and getting the top-speed portion done at nearly 128 mph at York U.S. 30 Dragway in central Pennsylvania."

 

Thus confirming my earlier statement that there were a hell of a lot more 13 sec "gassers" than there were 9 sec. ones.

 

Sigh........ ya wanna know the NHRA rules for Gassers? Here they are in black and white for 1956, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1971 and even a MP thrown in for good measure. They've been linked to about 100 times, I think even once before in this thread. But stuff keeps getting thrown out there and asked about, so here they are again.

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=334715&highlight=gas+rules

And if you want to know about the Prock & Howell Willys, I noticed Jay Howell posting on here the other day, ask him.

 

Amen!
There's a freight train load of knowledge available from the HAMBers on this post...I especially like when Don throws down with some first hand knowledge of how things were back in the day.His comments about building a trunk floor out of steel plate to get around the "no ballast" rule were absolutely awesome.


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What I found interesting concerning the sports car classes AAM/SP, AM/SP, BM/SP, for the years the Cobras dominated the NHRA show no Cobras at the Indy Nationals winning anything? Wonder why they didn't win any of these classes also?

 

Based on sheer numbers of people running all over the country, that may well be true. But based on what was recorded as National records, and the average amongst the upper gas classes, it's not as accurate.
Up until the early 60's there were far more cars running more commonly in the high 12's to low 14's, but by the early 60's even cars in the lower D/G classes were running in the 12's, and all the upper classes were running into the 11's and 10's. By '67 there wasn't a winning car at Indy (even in H/G!) that wasn't into the 12 sec. ET range and Ohio George won with a 8 sec. run in AA/GS.
My '55 Chevy with a 283 ran high 13's in the late 60's, and although I had fun with it, it never competed with the top dogs in our area, let alone National level! I sure thought it was quick until I got it to the drag strip though!

 

I thought the Cobras did have some wins at Indy in the A/SP classes (maybe others) in the mid to late 60s.

The Motion car that Hotroddon posted some have argued was a promotional photo with jack stands under the car. It obviously had BM/SP on the side although a quick bit of research about the car had me come up with this quote

"At the 1967 Record Meet at ATCO Dragway, Hoppe’s Cobra, after dyno tuning at Motion, left, blasted the NHRA record. “My partner, Jack Geiselman, and I drove the 427 Cobra for more than three hours to the track followed by a shop support car. We changed plugs and tires and made a couple of passes. We set the AA/SP record at 10.67 seconds, put back the street plugs and tires and drove back to the shop. Except for almost going deaf and my back taking a beating, it was a piece of cake," said Rosen.

The car I have read was not an original dragon snake but converted, so maybe that created the modification but I am just going out on a limb on that theory-Jim

 

Funny you mentioned this Jim. I remember when the picture came out and guys questioned how a car so light in the rear could pull the wheels like that? There was further controversy when people looked at the rear slicks and noted no twisting or distortion to indicate acceleration. They appear to just be small wrinkles from weight, not torque. And then there's the lack of any smoke or burnout.

 

And Lynches car predates OGM's Mustang by a substantial margin.It was inevitable anyway, OGM/Ford notwithstanding. As far as Larry Davis books, I would take them with a grain of salt, I have found some wildly outlandish statements in his Stock/Super stock books, and theres a couple "whoppers" I have spotted in the Gasser book as well. He's not one to let the facts stand in the way of a good story, and thanks to some fellow HAMBers I have caught him in a tall tale he told me directly about Hugh Tuckers car still being used on the street with the blown motor. IMO, the Montgomery book is more factual, Davis' has more nice color pics...

PS: and "Numismatist" is fancy talk for a coin collector. some guy picked his race car name out of a thesaurus

 

Well, part (and a pretty small part) of a '33 willys frame, from what I understand...

 

Hey man, them Drag radials go on the other end.., or did they make front wheel drive '56's, I don't know for sure, but sounds like another what if?

 

l.m.a.o!

 

Hey!Have you guys got a 4-speed back in Yesterday's Child yet?Which box did you go with,and how was it prepped?Im doing a HydroStick for my car,but I'm still not totally sold on turning my back on the 4-spd manual....

Scott


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See what happens when I make an effort to let things settle down! I guess I'm going to have to start "bashing" you guys over the head with the facts again.

I didn't even post a response to the hysterical, (speaking of vaginas) post filled with profanity and personal insults by powrshftr. Good natured ribbing I have no problem with. But one more profanity filled personal rant and I'll fill this thread with words-man-ship, ambigram and double entendas your wife will need a thesaurus to try and figure out if I have insulted you knuckle fragging Neanderthals!

OK, I'm going to try being a nice guy again (which I am by nature) by not pointing out all the examples of hypocrisy and calling BS as I see it.

 

Damn your intrigued by my car! I'm flattered! It's good to see your beginning to appreciate a good old street car.

Let me explain those tires. See I actually dive my car a lot on the street. Now and then I even get caught in the rain. Since I have those great big old 29.5 inch tall drag radials on the back end it tends to get a little loose. So for safety sake I run those larger front tires. Now I understand that may sound silly, but better safe than sorry wouldn't you say.

 

That's really terrifying,honest it is.

But the grown ups are talking about cars now.

Thanks for coming out!


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Then why don't you and I both join them? I'd be interested in seeing some of your stuff.