GASSER MUST HAVES and cant haves?

Handicap start. Watch this video of the East Coast Gassers at the 2012 Jalopy Showdown. Great racing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-2_uBl5Mow

 

Is it not possible that it could be done ether way? One group promotes heads up racing and another promotes bracket index format. It's not like there is any consistence from one group to the next. On that basis don't you think I asked a reasonable question?.

Why the unprovoked smart ass remark? Are you trying to get the thread closed or something? I'm sure in hindsight you agree your comment offered nothing constructive to the thread.

 

Johnny You heard the one about the old man at the track that was always calling his boy moon didn't you. Said he wasn't smart enough to be a sun.
Its an age an maturity thing.

 

"it is better to keep your mouth closed, and let everyone assume you are a fool, rather than open your mouth and remove all doubt"..,Mark Twain.

 

Are you saying it is never done as I assumed it might be?

Correct me if I'm wrong, most fans set at or near the starting line, right or wrong? If this is a true statement seems that is where, as a driver or fan or promoter, folks would want to see the closest "racing".

On that basis wouldn't it make the most sense to start the cars together and make any index adjustment, if needed, on the big end, where there are fewer fans watching from? By doing it this way the slower car 's driver still has the opportunity to tree the faster car. I realize that on a staggered start the slower index car still has the opportunity to tree the faster car but the fans can't see it with their eyes because they are expecting the slower car the leave first anyway.

What I'm getting at is that by doing it as I suggest, even though a driver has a slower car he still has the opportunity to kick the drivers ass in the faster car on reaction time. And the fans get to see him do it because of the heads up start without having to figure it out by looking at the boards.

The idea may be crazy, but it sure appears off hand to have merit.

If it wouldn't work please explain why, and those that only have off topic BS remarks please keep them to yourself and allow someone else to respond on topic.

 

Staggered start forever.

 

"First one to the finish line wins" is traditional.

 

I wouldn't even know how you could "adjust" at the big end. Plus after the first 60 feet the faster car will be way out in front so the fans would see a lop sided race anyhow.

 

It's interesting that the fool is the one asking on topic question and comment and the "expert historians' are the one's responding to them with off topic BS remarks.

Get my goat by showing everyone you can respond in an intelligent, adult manor with an original on topic response of your own to my on topic questions.

 

It's never been done that way because there is no practical way to do it.
If the cars start at the same time,you either have to let the slower car get killed running heads up,or you have to somehow figure out a way to shorten the finish line for the slower car,which you can't really do if the cars start at the same time,due to variables like reaction time,and the level of complexity figuring out how long the slower car's side of the track needs to be every single time cars make a side by side pass.
It would work out well for the first 60 ft,then it would just appear to be a mismatch to spectators again.
No matter what the clocks say,the folks in the stands are just going to see a fast car destroying a slow car.


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I have never done any real racing before just test and tune and grudge matches, but as far as watching goes index racing sucks almost as bad as it's twin brother bracket racing. I understand why it's done, but to me it makes the faster guy look asleep at the tree. As much as I hate to agree with rocket both cars leaving at the same time is way better to watch.jmo

MELTDOWN DRAGS
JULY 19-20 2014

 

Moon,you don't need to take on the world here.
I'm sincerely trying to help you out here.Beaking off to a bunch of respected guys because you can't accept that your idea won't work is just going to get you burned,man.
Just let it go and try something else.


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I agree that leaving at the same time makes for a way better race to watch,but only if the cars are evenly matched.I suppose a blowout might be better that brackets to some....I guess I would rather be driving that watching anyway...lol


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"I wouldn't even know how you could "adjust" at the big end"

What I was thinking is that if left lane has a 10 sec index and the right lane has a 12 sec index, left lane runs an actual 9.98, right lane runs and actual 11.95. The left lane crossed the finish beam 1.93 sec first. After both cars cross the finish beam, softwear calculated the index and the right lane win light comes on winning by .03 sec.

 

So the crowd has to wait for the slower car to cross the finish line two seconds later to see his "win" light come on?
I just don't see that getting off the ground.
If you think people hate to watch bracket racing,try running a full weekend worth of the slow lane getting the win light and people won't know what the hell to think...


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Spectators/Fans have been crowding the finish line since Fred Flinstone & Barney Rubble dragged em too see who won, they're called "the top end crew, gang, etc. Its tradition man, and your all about tradition, so why jack with it? OH YA, CAUSE IT DOESN'T WORK!..,well except for on opposite day

 

Man, I have finally found something we agree on! Hell I can stop now!! Seriously, I don't mind being beaten over the head with the facts. I just don't want the thread to get filled with personal, off topic spit balls.

I don't mind anyone pointing out that any of my hair brained ideas wont work. I just ask them to explain why they wont without the BS.

We're good as far as I'm concerned, hell this is the internet.

 

and go do a burnout
http://blogs.hotrod.com/we-are-the-...-rod-power-tour-2013-61057.html#axzz2gqbi4Zry

 

Actually I think your point that' it's tradition would be the hardest aspect to overcome.

As far as the spectator's having to wait for the slower car to cross the finish line, I don't think that would be a problem. Hell they wait now the same amount of time to see if the fast car is going to red light.

Developing the software to actually perform the timing function wouldn't be a issue at all.

Just something to think about I guess. And I do appreciate the on topic responses!

 

Nobody wants to see a slow car get freight trained by a fast car and still somehow miraculously win after it waddles through the traps a few awkward seconds later.....just let it go man.


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Hey powrshftr, why don't we start a new gasser series only for four gear cars, except you have to start in fourth gear, and down shift down the track. The winner would usually be the guy with the best clutch sliding abilities, and the best valve train. We would have to have our races on "opposite weekends" though

 

Then I guess we're back to each little individual Gasser group or association running their self imposed index. Even those that say they don't run index, it's amazing how close on speeds all the cars in each group are.

I'm just looking for a way equally acceptable cars that run significantly different speeds could run each other without a handicap start.

It wouldn't be an issue if the fields were larger for both fast and slower cars, simply run two separate brackets. But currently a lot of slower but otherwise acceptable cars don't run for the very reason we have been discussing in the last few post. They are uncomfortable with the idea of getting blown out and not being competitive.

 

You just can't help yourself, can you. I have a simple question for you, when was the last competitive pass YOU made in YOUR car? Talk about the pot trying to paint the kettle black!

If you have a serious interest in growing the sport why do you so adamantly try to shit on every idea anyone has that might possibly grow the entrant fields of these events?

Please stop your childish BS remarks and make a serious attempt at contributing to this thread, if you can. Are you oblivious that the longer you act out by this adolescent behavior the more childish you appear!

 

A fan that appreciates drag racing fully understands that the race is at the stripe, that's why they are at the finish line. If both cars and drivers are perfect in a handicap race, the fan will be on the edge of his seat trying to see who crosses the stripe first.
On to your point about the fast car red lighting while waiting to leave. An option for that would be a .400 pro tree, no red lights with that.

 

I gotta say I'm more into the cars themselves and want to see them in action no matter who wins and the more they look the part the better. A smaller older track adds to the feel too. Eagle field is one of those events that I've really enjoyed attending.

 

Until it's been tried no one knows for sure if it would work or not. It's called innovation.

Just because I suggest it and your committed to shitting on anything I post doesn't mean it wouldn't work.

 

When you attend these events, which end of the track do you gravitate to?

 

I got to ask, why did they build the biggest spectator seating on the small end of every drag strip I have ever been to, especially if most of the fans set on the big end as suggested?

My primes is that the majority of spectators watch the starting line and rely on the boards to tell who won.

I do agree with using a Pro tree.

 

I know what you're getting at and yes it's the starting line. Cant really see wheelies and spinning tires at the big end. I'm also one of those wierdos that peeks in and under cars in the pits and gets all giddy about Olds rears and rare shifters. Skinny front wheels too LOL. Sorry, I bit my tongue so long it started to go numb.

 

The last competitive pass I made in my car was at the Moon Eyes Christmas party with my weak ass 7.00 Pump gas engine. I'm not shitting on every ones attempt at a legitimate gasser class attempt either. In fact, I am so impressed with Quain's deal that I've torn my car all apart to lighten it some more and spending thousands of dollars to replace the current engine/trans combo with something that'll run 5.80's, so I can tow a looong ways to go mix it up with their group. Guess what, Quain didn't " impose" his rules on me, I've imposed them on myself cause that's the kind of gas class racing I want to be involved with! I've also recently learned that my friend Tim Rigby, of "The West Coast Hot Rod Assoc", (a primarily"fastest street car" type organization), wants to add a gasser class, and is looking for ideas/rules, and only needs a min. of 8 cars to show up, and I'll be involved in that too, as well as several other behind rhe scene deals to ABSOLUTELY promote gasser racing. The reason some of the guys on here are giving you some red ass, is because some of your "on point, on topic" question & remarks are incredibly lame, & too hard to ignore, which is what I've been trying to do. Sorry I responded, I'll go back to ignoring.