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Patrick, a band saw and a 2 x 12 chunk of aluminum, I've made little ones. LOL

 

41 ford Coe.****mins 12 valve

 

al-restoration-design COE

 

al-restoration-designs COE

 

Thanks Spuds!

 

Mounted on the frame. Cab was stripped down, all wood was replaced, and lots of sheet metal repair done.

Gettin there....

 

Looking great Alex!! What chassis did you use?







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We used a 1 Ton dodge chassis. 12 valve****mins, 5 speed Getrag

 

here are a couple

 

Hey Guys, I'm about to build a 1955 COE with a western hauler bed. I built one before, but what's worrying me about this one is putting a diesel in it. i've never dealt with diesel engines before. Several options I'm considering.
1) Get a step van with a diesel and Auto trans and put my body on it.
2) Find a wrecked dually truck and do the same.
3) I already have a mid 70's chevy dually frame that I could buy a diesel and transmission for.
I'm leaning towards a****mins 4BT or 5.9 liter, as I hear they are simpler and not computerized. Also read about the 6.2 and 6.5 liters, but remember hearing bad things about chevy diesels before the Duramax, and don't know where I would find one. No specific questions, just fishing for some ideas and opinions. It will pull a BBQ cookoff trailer, nothing too heavy. Here is a sketch of my plan.

 

The benefits are the 5.9 is a popular swap so there is lots of support out there. Parts are accessible if you want to make ungodly hspr and torque. The 6 cyl is longer but narrow so they free up a lot of room on the sides for plumbing and turbos etc. Most Ford and Chev diesels have the turbo on top which make for a tall package. This may or may not be a problem depending on your build (ex if you want to lower everything drastically) . They tend to get amazing fuel mileage and have gobs of torque.

The downside is they are the noisiest freaking diesel on the planet. Great if you want to sound like you are driving a combine. Not my idea of fun when planning a long trip. Diesel is more expensive than gasoline not to mention can be harder to find in big cities. The initial cost is usually a lot higher as well. Financially wise it makes no sense to ever buy a diesel for the above reasons. You buy a diesel because you want to.

I have an F350 7.3l so I am a diesel fan but I would rather have a new one than an old one.

 

Both the 4Bt and the 6Bt have a good following, almost like that id the Flathead - Sidevalve. Pre Electronic is the way to go with mechanicla injection. I have a 6BT in my F4 Conventional Cab and it is a great engine.

OK, They do have a distinctive engine rattle you can pick as a****mins but they can be very quiet if you set up a muffler on them the right way.

4BT's are not easy to find here as I would like one for my next project.

 

IMO, the benefits of MPG far FAR outweigh the added cost of dismal fuel.

My 350 was getting 12 MPG & I am in the 18 - 20 range for my '03****mins.

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If I'm building a truck to pull anything bigger than a teardrop camper there is no question, build a diesel. Sound insulate your cab and enjoy the ride.
Oh Yeah, if you are like me there is another diesel option. Detroit Diesel!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4S4NqqU9FQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3yohoCqD2E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU3gZGUInd4

If those don't give you goose bumps you're dead

 

Go to your local newsstand and look for a magazine called "Diesel Swaps" or something like that. It has a complete rundown of all the diesels out there and what their issues are for swaps. Its very informative because I'm thinking of going the same way. I'll buy it the next time I'm at the store and let you know what the****le is for sure.

 

I agree with what's already been said. The advantages of the 4BT and 6BT is that they're quite compact compared to the****mins/Duramax/Powerstroke. There are a lot of performance goodies available for 4/6BT and they'll live forever with proper care. That said, if the trailer you're pulling is 4000 lbs or bigger you'll likely want to go with the****mins/Duramax/Powerstroke choice.

The mid-70's GM dually chassis is a great platform to build on. The steering setup is relatively straightforward and the body simply "sits" on the chassis with very little modification to either. Look at Kiwi Willy's build as this is what he did and it'll serve for GREAT inspiration! http://www.flickr.com/photos/86936723@N04/

Since you're looking at a relatively short wheelbase you'll want the engine under the cab (lots of guys like me are planning on putting the engine behind the cab) and that again may limit you to the 4/6BT.

Join the COE group if you haven't already. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/group.php?groupid=333

 

You have the name correct - Magazine is published by Diesel Power Magazine.

 

Just found this picture of mine posted on another thread, Taken by djtwigsta last spring at the Kingpins Season opener.

 

Thanks for all the input. Daddio refers to the 6BT and 4BT as being different from a****mins. Aren't they****mins motors?

 

Yeah! Daddio you smoken' somethin'

 

Yep, that's it. I found it at Walmart tonight.

 

4bt is the 4 cylinder version of the****mins 6 bt , they were called bread truck motors as they were used in bread trucks and by frito lay for a while , they are good on sipping fuel , but low on power , the 6 bt is used in everything from boats to heavy equipment and they used them in heavy spotter trucks at rail yards , and can pull a 40-60,000 pound load pretty good when combined with a automatic transmission , they make power but unlike there bigger brothers the 855 Cid engines they are lacking in the torque but 700 -800 pounds is easily in reach and they get double to triple the fuel milage of there bigger brothers easily .

the powerstrokes , has to be a pre electronic 7.3L ( a international motor ) the later motors require a computer a does the duramax , the 6.2-6.5 GM 4 stroke diesels ( also labeled detroits) if you find one that was fleet maintained , your ok , but unless the person who owned it knew how to take care of it stay away , they had a problems with the cranks breaking, and vacum pumps and some electronic issues , mostly atributed to the dampner slipping , my 96 6.5 had 245,000 on the clock , and because I was messing around , I broke the crank in it (tried to up the hP with nitrous and propane ) one of my freind has 500K on his , he changed the dampner out at 100K like I did with a vibratech unit which is made for diesels they basically are at there limits stock , I should have 6v-53TT 'd it but I needed the truck so a salvaged 6.5 went back into it .

IMO a 6BT should be the way to go , easy to find , many hop up parts , compact . proven , another good engine to look at is the DT series from international , they make both a computer and non computer motor . its also a proven engine

as steve mentioned you also have the detroit diesel option , it is a different than the cookie cutter****mins crowd , parts are available , they are very easy to work on , they can be sealed up so they don't leak and have oil in them too ( old detroit joke) and you can hop them up easily too if you do some reading . and the sound they make is soothing to the ear . ( for some of us atleast )

the thing I like about the****mins , detroit and Dt is the bell housings are interchangeable , unlike the powerstroke and the duramax , so you have a a larger variety of transmissions , feel like putting a big truck 13 speed in it find the flywheel and bellhousing and have at it .

 

As answered by another poster the 4BT and the 6BT are both from the B Series****mins Engine. Many variants of the Engine are available if you look

4 or 6 stands for the no of Cydinders.
B Stands for the Engine family.
T Stands for Turbo.

4BTA means it has a pre or after cooler Be aware the 4BTA and 6BTA are a taller engine with the after cooler set up and harder to fit into a COE truck.

4BTS often used a turbo GM 350 gearbox as factory or a 4 speed Ford manual. The 6BT & 4BT also got used as industrial power plants and you need to re spec them for Automotive use so if you find one with a gearbox go for it.

Also look up the A Model with a Ford Diesel (4 banger) being built here on the HAMB as that will give you some ideas.

 

They are, but they're different than what everyone "considers" the small****mins, made popular by the 3/4 and one ton Dodge trucks.

The "12 Valve" in the pickups is similar to the 6BT, but I don't know enough to tell you what the differences are. I do know that its not computer controlled like the 24 Valve which became available about 12 years ago.

My '27 T Roadster build: www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t= 734383

 

Basically 2****mins engines with each available in 4 or 6 cylinder form. The BT series is the 12 valve and the ISB the 24 valve. Now of course they have the common rail 6.7 liter version and I don't know what they call that.
The Dodge version of these engines (both BT and ISB) have a slightly different layout of turbos, different Injector pumps(?) but the core engine is the same. The ISBs were computer controlled, but it is a stand alone system that is not difficult to swap.

 

Good info Steve, thanks!

 

The B Series family of engines is built in both 12 valve and 24 valve.

B Series engine base has not changed much from the start right through to the 6.7 Litre. You can also get a 4B engine meaning it has no Turbo.

 

Guess this is the diesel thread now? How about we get back on topic?

Couple of Diamond T's near me.......not for sale.

 

Good idea. Nice COE's.

 

One I found today.