I am now moving 165 miles northwest. I wonder how long it will be before the "yuppies" get up there.. It's already happened. Just stay away from the West Branch area... got relatives up that way. They told me about how it's becoming more like "down here". Jay
That's just it... Just a couple decades ago, Lancaster and Palmdale WAS the boonies you moved to to get away from all the yuppies! The "gotcha" the Government/Gang has with this kind of fine is they attach it to your property tax or as a lien on the property, with interest. ARE you running a business out of your garage? Or working on "friends" cars and not just your own?
A true case in point. I used to run a small ham radio business out of my house, it grew to where I contracted for daily UPS pickup. An old ***** down the road didnt like the UPS truck driving by (its a dead end road and Im at the end) and complained. There was no zoning for or against a home biz at the time. A died in the wool liberal ***hole runs for selectman on a platform to ban all home businesses. I mobilize a campaign against him with mailings to all known home businesses, get good coverage in the papers. He goes down in flames; I drive by the old ***** daily and give her the finger! The new Board of Selectman appoint me to the Planning Board where Im ***igned to write a Home Business zoning code. It p***es big time at the next years election; I wrote it with 3 levels of use; from 1 person, no traffic, no sign up thru allowing employees, sign and walk ins. No body shops allowed tho, I couldnt get that thru the Planning Board approval. Hobbiest restorations, rods, etc are all OK. A nice thing about a small town is that 1 person CAN make a difference. Another thing about NH is that antique cars were recently exempted from the unregistered car in your yard law at the state level and trumps any local regs. Now you can have as many "parts" cars as you want. NH has the lowest unemployment (well below national average) in New England, 2nd best SAT ratings, 2nd highest per capita income AND land is still available fairly cheap once you get away from the Boston area commute towns. It was also the first state to have a Street Rod plate. Think about it if you want a positive change in life style. And if you can tolerate snow; we got 18" yesterday!
All of this just enforces my belief that California has gone full on Nazi with all of their bull **** laws. I don't care how nice the ****in' weather is, you couldn't pay me to live there. My Dad and Mom bought a place in Cali about 4 or 5 years ago, in a nice new subdivision. Dad has a few nice old cars and got some **** for his 25 Ford TT leaking some oil on the ROAD, so my folks said screw it and list their place and at their open house get an offer for 500k more then what they paid for it. They paid cash for a nice ranch up in WA state where he can have a huge *** shop and not worry about any of that ********. I've hated that state from the time I lived there as a kid and it keeps getting worse, get out now while you still can. Nik
When I still lived in SoCal, I had about a dozen cars. I was working on one of them one saturday, when a guy in a City vehicle shows up, gets out, and introduces himself as the Code Enforcement Officer. He says he has gotten complaints from the neighbors (which I *KNOW* is ********) that I was opeating a car repair shop out of my garage, and the property wasn't zoned R-1, or some **** like that. SO, I told him to hold on... I went into the house, got the ***le (in my name) for each and every car, along with either insurance papers or a Non-Op slip, for every damned car there, and told him we can go for a ride in any one of these cars that I PERSONALLY OWN, except for that '57 convertible over there, and if he wants to wait until next week when I got the engine back together, we could go for a ride in that one, too...He then tried to tell me that I couldn't have that many cars, and that I needed to go rent a storage building downtown in the Industrial area. When I asked him why in the **** I had to to that, when every City car and truck and a few larger pieces of equipment ( loaders, backhoes, s****ers, etc etc) stayed in an open lot not two blocks from my house with a chain-link fence you could see right through, while he had to look through my (not usually) open solid gate and fence to see my cars, and they have 50-60 of them in plain sight, and I also asked him if he knew what a cl***-action lawsuit was....he quietly got back in his little City Chevy Citation, drove away, and I never heard another word from them
Find an attorney that is willing to work with you, you give him some free car maintenance. Tell him you don't really want to fight the charges directly, but you need to find out who all is doing this to you. Tell him the first thing you want to do is file a motion for a continuance, and he will figure out the best way to do that, If he can get a continuance, the case might be delayed for a long time, depending on the judge's case load. The next motion would be to get another judge. Unless the judge they ***ign you is really hot for this case, he will gladly allow that, etc. Sometimes, what goes around comes around. Get shaved, dress up and spent most of a week going around talking to all your neighbors. I would bring up my problem, asking them for advice. Explain that you aren't upset about the city and the fine, but the big deal is that you feel like you have failed your neighbors, that you are sad that you have offended your neighbors, that you want to get along with your neighbors. Neighbor this, neighbor that, run it into the ground. Explain that you enjoy visitors, ask each of them over to have a beer and talk cars. Eventually you will flush out the complainer, or he might even soften up and see things your way. Who knows?
Thats the way its going in michigan. People from detroit are spreading to fenton, holly, grand blanc area. Soon Detroit and Flint will merge. I work for an architecture firm that has done some buildings in the fenton area. The lake fenton high school was built twice and large as needed to compensate for the growth there expecting. Happily though, our main work is regrowth of downtown flint with lofts and such to bring people back and hopefully keep the rural parts rural. To add to the stupidity of people. I have a neighbor who works for gm and runs a lawn company out of his house. Some neighbors who dont even live on the same road as him, but in the same subdivision took him to court for running a business out of his house and having one trailer with lawn equipment on it in his driveway. He just built a shed in the back to store it in but the irony of it is that they singled this person out when they (accuser) runs a travel agency out of there house and their neighbor (who is related to accuser) has a boat, motorhome and cargo trailer in there driveway or side lawn. Luckly once i get my bucket running, (which is going to be loud) it shouldnt affect the neighbors since 2 ride harleys, but who knows if others with nothing else to do will complain.
Holy ****. I got one like you living right next door to me! 15 cars parked in the driveway, on both sides of the street and backyard. He comes home from the races Sat midnight, drives his "race" car off the trailer, revs it up to let the neighborhood know he's home and commences to bang out the dents and tune it up for next weeks race. When its fixed he test drives it up and down the street! We get along real good, his old lady owns a couple Car Quest parts stores in town and I get parts at a good price. He wants me to help him find out whos calling the cops on him....
This likely won't help Hip, but it's a guide for not being ****ed over too badly for your cars..... 1. Don't buy in a subdivision of all new homes. My house was built in '98, is very nice but is in a neighborhood with newer and older homes too. I drove all around the area noting unlicensed cars before I bought this place. If I hadn't seen any, I wouldn't have bought it. Trust me, I looked everywhere.... 2. Talk to the neighbors before buying and kinda feel them out. NASCAR stickers or even bling stuff on their cars mean that they might be ok. 3. Check your community's ordinance for unlicensed cars. If it says they must be tagged and runnable, you still don't have to allow anyone to come on your property to hear them run, at least here in Ohio. The cops....including the Yard Po'lice can't come on your land without a warrant. Where I lived a few years back....and had a bunch of h***les, the police chief came and asked me if I'd start all of my cars for him. I told him "**** no!" He said "That's fine ,Jan. I was only asked to by the zoning board." and left. You also don't have to allow anyone to take pics of your rides except from the street. or someone else's property. Unfortunately, zoning, code enforcement or whatever is legal under the cons***ution of the US. I found that out throught my lawyer when I was summonsed to court the one and only time I got nailed years ago. One thing.... I, or rather my roomie keeps the gr*** cut nicely here and we don't leave parts outside for more than a few days. I've got historic tags on everything 25 years or older, except for one '63 Ford you can't see from the street. BTW, if you want to piss a neighbor off, tell 'em your're putting in a parking lot, not a driveway....... Jan...******** about this issue!
I've seen a lot of posts like this on the HAMB, and the 1st thing I think is "I wonder what the other side of the story is?". Now, I'm not saying that Hip is guilty of this, because I don't know him and have never seen his place,so I'm not looking to p*** judgment on him. However, I suspect that there are a lot of guys who keep a junkyard out front, and then get all pissy when their neighbors complain. Although I'm currently living in a small apartment in the historic district of a small town in Tennessee, I own a house in Tampa and lived there for a yr & a half. When I was living there, I respected my neighbors & kept the cars out back behind a fence where they couldn't be seen. Why? Because I realize that my neighbors probably don't want to look at my junk. Just like I wouldn't dig it if my neighbors kept a bunch of **** I didn't want to look at in front of their houses. Communities are built on mutual respect. My thing isn't necessarily your thing and vice versa. Although none of my neighbors were into cars, and I lived in a "yuppie" neighborhood, they were mostly courteous, and several would actually come over to check it out when they saw a new car or a friend's car out front. "Hey cool, did you get a new one!" I helped a few of 'em fix their cars & such. They were OK. I had a few ***holes to deal with here and there, but the bottom line is that they were few and far between, because I was respectful. As much as I like to look at old cars in a state of disrepair, I can actually consider other people's viewpoints, and what is "beautiful" to me may be an eyesore to someone else. It seems that there are a lot of sad "my neighbors all hate my guts for no apparent reason" stories out there, and I'm having a hard time believing that everyone in the neighborhood got together because they were bored and needed someone to pick on, and then just arbitrarily chose you. What, did they throw a bunch of names into a hat or something & your name was the one drawn? You know, if one of your neighbors doesn't like you, he's probably just an ***hole. If ALL of your neighbors don't like you, the ***hole might be you. Is it possible that maybe, just maybe, you're being inconsiderate of your neighbors and they're tired of your ****? I can remember when I was in college I moved into a cheap apartment. While I was moving in I met my next door neighbor who (at the time) seemed like an OK guy. He advised me that "all the neighbors here are old *****s and will call the cops on you at the drop of a hat". I'm thinking to myself "Oh great, this is all I need, a bunch of bluehairs out to make sure no one has any fun". Then I started meeting the neighbors, and they all seemed OK. Then I came to realize that my neighbor would have loud, drunken, knock-down drag-out fights with his old lady 2 or 3 times a week, and usually at 2 in the morning. The point is that he was straight-up white trash, and was just too ****ing stupid to be considerate of others. Once again, I'm not condemning Hip. I'm just offering up some food for thought. I guess my point is that if you're the neighborhood pariah, you might want to examine your own behavior before dismissing all of your neighbors as "yuppie ***holes". And the "property rights" argument doesn't hold water. If your neighbor put a bunch of ugly **** that you didn't like out front in in plain view, played music you hated at a high volume (even if it were only during legal times), etc, etc. You wouldn't be defending his property rights, you'd be saying "that guy is a ****ing ***hole and I wish he'd move!". Just something to think about.
I heard something like this happened to this guy,years ago. What he did was paint his house a real funky colors, maybe you should paint your house pink with purple poco~dots. or something really funky, that would piss them off.
Well said. Had I taken the time to be that articulate, I wouldn't have received a " report bad post" !
I really hate hearing this kind of stuff, some folks are just plain ***es. My neighbors are pretty cool. The one on the right of me retired from the same company I work for and has a 49 chevy pick-up he is having redone. He bought a new riding mower about 2 years ago and mows my front yard every week. My father in law works for the county he lives in and was coming in for a visit. He mows the edge of roads and and all the parks and always wants to mow my gr***. I got out there and mowed it before he showed up so he would'nt spend his vacation doing yard work. My neighbor actually got pissed at me for mowing my own gr***. So I told him get after it and I havent mowed my front yard in two years. He came by a few weeks ago and took some pics of my 32. I wasnt sure why but I knew it was'nt to start ****. He came back a week later with it logo'd on a coffee mug. F*cking guy... The neighbor to my left is a really sweet single mom that speaks very little english but enough for us to talk some. I took my garbage can down to the street on a sunday evening (garbage runs on monday) like always but decided I would take hers down too. The next weekend she took them both down to the street like SATURDAY! now we fight over it two and three days early(she's really cool). Now the one across the street is a different story he is a guitar player (pretty good too). But he would crank up at 3 in the morning LOUD and jam. I went and knocked on his door to ask him to drop the volume so we could sleep a couple of more hours before we had to get our son to school. that didnt last long so I was headed back over to turn it down for him when the cops showed up(no I didnt call them). Funny thing was He was rocking out and the cops were beating on the door. he turned it off messed up his hair and went to the door like he was asleep. It didnt work... His buddies park across the street from my driveway and make hard on us to get in and out but live his driveway open. no law against it so I usually just tell them when I catch them doing it " man I really dont want to smash up your ride but its inevitable if you keep blocking my driveway" The guy who lives two doors down is a federal marshal. He actually came and asked me if everything was ok because he didnt hear me in my shop(I had been working 7-12's). I said "Im sorry if Ive been making too much noise". His reply was "No, I was just making sure you were ok". When we bugged out for hurricane Rita he kept an eye my place is full riot gear and pump shotgun. Man I got cool neighbors.
Good luck, sometimes it pays to play the game straight for awhile, then **** them from behind when they aren't looking. Jay[/QUOTE] Thats probably the funniest homo***ual reference ive ever seen. Neighbors are even worse when you live in a condo, i cant even run an air compressor without a call from the landlord.
Damn Bro, with all the other **** going down in you're town, if they are makin' time to **** with you about cars, you must be ****in' up somehow! No offense but... I'll bet that complaining neighbor just got ahold of someone's supervisor. They say the sqeeky wheel gets the oil they have probably been sqeeking for quite a while, good luck, I feel you pain, went through some similar **** in my town a few years back over my unlicensed dogs and visible trash cans.
Just tell them what i tell my friends.......................either i mess with my cars or i get some weapons grade nucular stuff..........make it easy on yourself....
Good timing for me. I just bought a house in the ****ing suburbs a mile out of my city. This reminds me to try and make nice FAST. For two more weeks, I live in a city and rent a hangar at a local airport for the cars. 15 minutes ago somebody just smashed the windows out of my neighbors SUV. He parked in my spot. I had a talk with him this morning, it won't happen again. Soon I'll have my rusty stuff at home. I don't believe in muffers, so I expect some trouble. In the city I can scare my neighbors off. I expect this will not work in my new 'nice' neighborhood.
Funny you should mention that there is a guy dealing with that up here in Anchorage. LINKhttp://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/7232833p-7144806c.html Dawg
**** THE NEIBORS AND THE ****IN ORDINANCES!!! WHO THE **** DO THEY THINK THEY ARE!??! It is UNCONS***UTIONAL to stop an American citizen from making a living...PERIOD. No ifs, ands or buts about it. It's truely nobody's ****in buisness what you do for a living. Part time or full time. You can be a ****in drug dealer, make money, pay taxes on that money, and until the state does something about it, oh ****in well. Burden of proof. Not that I think that's what it about, just makin a point. If you have some rowdy bros ****in your **** up they need to have a sense of decorum about their visits. The main thing is don't create a disturbance. If you are not allowed to have hot rods, friends with hot rods, work on them for a living, then THEY OWE YOU A ****IN LIVING!! Yeah right, that's gonna happen. You have a cons***utional right to face your accusers and see evidence. Tell the city to shove their ****in fine up their ***. Intimidation is the 1st play that ALL these ****ers try. Mother ****in juvinile candy *** *****s with a "position". I've been there a dozen times and prevailed every time with no anger and a double shot of common sense and legal references. Try going in there and telling them that fishing, hunting, bowling, golf, and camping is offensive and frightening to you. Therefore everyone in the neighborhood needs to remove from their property anything to do with those items. If they have a right to be offended, SO DO YOU!! Holy **** does this subject piss me off...
Had the same thing happen to me . I lived right outside of Boston in a fairly urban suburb -Malden MA in case anyone cares(if you know what I mean). Had 6 cars in my yard at one time- all registered and insured- the whole 9 yards- all owned by our family.Everything from a damn minivan to our 53 Chevy 3100 pickup which didnt even have amotor that ran at the time. Damn neighbor told the town we were running a body shop at the house. When the town came to see it- we explained the cars were ours and we were told we COULDNT own all the cars-'no one' owned that many cars- even thhough they were parked in our driveway and were legal. THEN we said - well fine- we will build a garage to house some of them and were told by the building inspector that if we brought "$1200" down to him PLUS the application and application fee, he would approve the building. WTF?! So we moved to a town further away from the city, but still accessible to the rest of the world- and NO ONE cares here. People have some **** in their yards but its not like anyone looks like a salvage yard or anything. The first week wemoved here our neightbor came by to say hello because he had seen my 6ft tall tool box rolling into the garage and thought I might own a race car. He owned a 57 Chevy at the time. COOL.
Hey dude, invite all your neighbors over for some christmas brownies. You know, the kind that are enriched with laxatives -- then tellem the ****ter's full! Kill'em with kindness!
Every since Christ was a Corporal, the saying was "you can't fight city hall". One exception is if you are the mayor. When house hunting, the garage takes priority. When house hunting you are hunting neighbors too. I check the previous owner, just as if I was buying his car. Why are you selling this house? etc....... If the first answer to that question is a complaint about the noisy, or nosey, neighborhood, you have a clue. If it's noisy, you might be on the right track. If it's nosey, then you are fore-warned. Damned Liberals think it's THEIR JOB, to run our lives. Those neighborhoods that have mostly fukin' liberal residents, that elect a city councilman that is a Damo****, don't buy there. Worry about ANY tree hugger that puts 'save the planet' over individual rights. The politics of the School Board is also a key factor. Steer clear of the ones with "Neighborhood Watch" signs, etc. It's easy to walk around the block, or up the lane, and check the driveways and back yards. Look for dogs that conservatives, live and let live, type people own, like bulls, labs, blue-tick hounds and the like. You know, good-people dogs. If you can't walk the alley and be greeted by a Chorus of canine song, beware. See if the people that walk thier dogs carry a baggy to pick up the **** with. If that's the case, there's buisy-bodies in the bushes! Be su****ious of people that don't have dogs, but have cats. No grease spots on the driveways in the neighborhood, squeaky clean? No car in the whole 5-block area without hood up or door missing? Little green stencils at the storm drains, "no dumping, you'll kill the fish", little old ladies washing the driveway. Stay away for all of those. Finally, if the neighborhood is promising, get a couple of buddies and and a six-pack of pop, like root-beer in a silver, or red/black can, the kind that looks like beer from a distance. Park on the street and hang out, like loiter; talking and drinking the bait. If a garage door opens and the car nut (that you dream about for a neighbor) comes out to chat, but then looks sad because you're drinking root-beer, things are lookin' up! But instead, if a cruiser comes by real slow, you know some buisy-body has called the law, already! Every since I grew up I've lived where I wanted to. Oh for a while there, I let her help decide, but like I said, then I grew up.
Some neighbors don't know how good they have it and are so bored and pathetic that they end up making the whole street their project. I have a bad one next to me we have had a ton of problems with him. I went out of my way to be friendly to him. It was the last straw this summer when I was fixing an old tricycle for his grandson and his wife snapped about me grinding on it for him. He has done everything he can to **** with me. he called the state police one day last year and said I was making excessive noise revving up my race car, (The local PD know how he is and won't respond anymore) The officer shows up and I am replacing a motor that has grenaded, I'm talking 2 rods out of the block and a 5x5 porthole in the block. Anyhow I see the shoes and roll out from underneath the car The officer starts giving me hell about reving the car up. I was very polite and showed him that that was just not possible. I ****tered the motor at the track a couple days before. He was cool as hell and told the ******* that another false complaint and he was going to jail for this one and all the previous ones too. I keep my house yard and garage in perfect shape there is never any cars outside the garage just a car trailer around the side of the garage that no one can see anyway. I have a very quiet exhaust on my daily driver. I have not started the race car at my house in two years, me and my wife push it onto the trailer on saturday and off on sunday. There is nothing to make him happy so I spent a month showing him how bad he could have it. Race car trailer parked infront of his house Two junk trucks in the driveway(until I got a first notice) muffler removed from the lawnmower, weedwhacker, and chainsaw Cut the large maple tree down on my property that not only provided him shade but a windbreak. Sued him for damage to my garage roof due to his tree hanging over my property that he would not let me trim Turned him every week to the code officer for flaking paint. And the grand finally Made him tare out a $7000 deck that he had specially built over an old inground pool without filling it in, to have it filled in properly (seems the city takes threats of west nile virus very serious.) I would not allow him access through my driveway to it for the contractor. So he had to wheelbarrow god only knows how many trips about 50 feet and tare down a section of his fence. He is very nice now and minds his buisness after spending $10,000 to $15,000 Another thing that will get their attention is to wait till they are not home and using a garden sprayer write **** you in 5 ft tall letters with Kerosene in their front yard. Next afternoon It'll look real nice (but I would not know anything about that)
We hear ya. I helped my bud tow a 59 impala to his house so he could jerk the mill. It was in the driveway for two days. He got a notice to have it removed in 24 hrs. 8 p.m. on thanksgiving eve. So, getting a s**** yard to come get the carcas on thanksgiving was not a option so, he called on friday and had it set up to be picked up that afternoon. He got home and no car, he thought to himself cool they came and got the car. Untill he found the court summons on the front door. The city came and hauled it. And now of course he is going to pay for them to tow and a fine for some other ******** I'm sure. Do what I do. Scare the **** out of your neighbors and they will leave you alone. They all think were crazy as a **** house rats.
threads like this make me feel how lucky i am. i work out of my home shop , but i'm very carefull not to leave junk laying around ,everything is under cover, and not to make too much noise at night. what really make me lucky is my neighbors , they are wurst than me! the guy across the street is a BIG harley guy..and the local hangout for the harley riders in the summertime..talk about noise , and parties every weekend...he invites me and free beer. the guy to the east...he is retired , and has a sideline of fixing lawnmowers ,snow blowers, small engine repair , etc...he has tons of **** in his back yard. (nothing out front) the bonus he has all this equipment, so he mows my lawn and blows the snow from my driveway. he comes over and uses my lathe , mill , press once and a while..i go over and give him a hand if he needs a little help the guy to the west is also retired...and has several non running cars in his backyard (again nothing you can see from the street) the guy west of him is into old tractors , and restores them..his backyard is full of junk.we help each other out if we need something lifted , and i borrow him tools sometimes. he "tests" his tractors in the street. he is also into tractor pulling , and test fires an engine sometimes late at night...he has one that sounds absolutely wicked! 100 yards behind me is a 1/2 mile dirt track....any noise i would make is drounded out every saturday night during the summer i guess i live in the perfect neighborhood for a car guy..we all get along fine .
I used to get alot of cleanup notices on unlicensed cars & one time I just had brought a couple trucks in that I was going to fix & sell quickly but next day the next door neighbor invited the zoning insp over,showed the him the trucks & I got a notice 2wks to move them.I was pissed,so I went down the zoning inspec road to take pics of his neighbors & there he is burning leaves(that's a no-no),I took his pic while he was lookin @ me waved went down the road & took all his neighbors & noticed by then he was out by the road watching me so when I waved as I went by his house again & I haven't heard from him since. Like for 10 yrs.I just been doin what I want! We do have some new zoning people that I'm waiting on since the 40 ac behind the barn is going to be 80+ houses real soon buy I guess I'll just try to cleanup alittle better. Bob
man, i must be blessed. the guy right across the street has a 51 ford. to my east lives a single guy about 27 or so, owns a 61 rambler. further down the street to the east lived a guy who was building a kit plane in his garage, sold the house to a retired couple who own a pretty cherry square-bird. down the street to the left is a dood thats into 4x4's in a big way... i never had trouble with my neighbors. none. only thing i ever heard was when bobby chops hudson body was sittin out here for a month was "hey thats pretty cool! when you buy that?" hell they even dig my "yard art" out by the back fence. . . PS the guy with the folding camper under the blue tarp behind me there is a roundy round racer... i got it pretty easy i guess.
I would have seen if I could get them to put that in writing, or taped the phone call, and handed that little hot-potato of extortion over to the local TV news - as long as the guy is white, they aught to be all over it. (thats a whole other story, but if you watch TV news and pay attention you'll start to realize that only white males are bad and do bad things, even when a person of some other background commits a crime). Cause if the guy did that for you, I'm sure it wasn't the first time, could make a nice juicy scandal for them to report. I guess what I would look for in a house besides a lack of neighbors (and a dead-end street is always good, less busybodies driving by), is to check out not only the zoning but the people in the zoning office, see if I can find records of how often they cite people and what they cite most often. Right now I am kind of eyeing a place that is on a dead end, has a barn, garage and some sheds, and has room to put 20 cars under cover. Add some fencing in a couple spots and you could hide a few more from anyone's view. FWIW, anti-freeze does a good job of killing gr*** too, although I wouldn't use it to kill gr*** where any pets were around to get into it.
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