Called up ford motor sports the other day and it will cost over 6 grand for either of these motors ,and thats w/ no trans either . What would be a better motor for aftermarket parts the 429 or the 460 ? Also besides the trucks what did the big ford motors come in ? I am thinking donor car w/ a rebuild ,Or will i be spending just as much if i went crate motor ? Last what year range ?Also thinking pre emissions .. On the trans side , i know most came w/ the C-6 but will an Aod trans hold up behind a big block ? THANKS ...
The 429 can be found in Thunderbirds, Lincolns, big Mercurys and Fords from the late 60s to the early 70s. The engine grew to 460 cubes in the mid 70s and found it's way into Mercury, Lincoln and Ford battle-cruisers of the 70s! Externally the same, intake manifolds, headers, cams, heads, etc will all interchange between 429 and 460 engines (except for some marine engines and the Boss 429, of course!), so aftermarket support is the same for either a 429 or a 460. I bought a 1977 Grand Marquis with bad brakes and a busted windshield for $50 and drove it home to rob the 460 and C6 out of. I made a good deal of money selling off the parts I didn't want and ended up with a free 460! The big ol'70s donor car route is the way to go for cheap big block Fords!
The mills came in lincolns, Big Mercs, Fords like Thunderbirds, Mustangs, Galaxies, etc. If I recall the first 429 in a Ford was '69, correct me if I'm wrong. You might find a 429 in a '68 Lincoln or Merc. The first Ford 460 would have been around '73 (late). Lincoln would have had them as early as '69 (found it in an old shop manual). One's as easy to get parts for as the other, if your gonna buy aftermarket. But they did build a BOSS 429, I don't think they ever built a BOSS 460. Boss heads would cost more than 22" hoops and a set of rubberbands. I'd stay with the C-6 if it were me. I have no idea if the AOD will hold the torque. The real question is light car or heavy, traction or no. I'd still stay with the C-6. If ya gotta have overdrive get a Gear-Venders. They are cool to the max and take a real beatin'. if it don't make you dirty it aint yours.
Wow hack thats sounds like an awesome deal ya got !! What about some ballpark horsepower and torq ratings .Sounds like the 429 and the 460 are the same motor just diff stroke .This helps a ton since i can not seem to find my older motor spec book . And yes its a big heavy car .the 6 banger in a 59 , just wont cut it .
Either one will work well, but more cubes have never hurt anyone Should be able to get an easy 500hp out of it with not too much effort. Look here http://www.network54.com/Forum/85220 , and here http://www.fordmuscle.com and start studying. Here is an old thread I found with a quick search. It should give you an idea of what you can do for a reasonable cost http://www.fordmuscle.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?topic=1499&forum=2 . Looks at Greg Cooks combo. his 472 pushes that 67 Fairlane to mid 11 1/4mi times. It should be noted he also has a heavy '63 Galaxie that runs high 9s with a 557/C4. Its street driven too
if ya'go to build that 460,when you replace the timing chain set,get one from 74 or earlier i believe it is.the ones after that came from the factory with the cam set up retarded,(for emissions me thinks).you should see the differences in the parts books.
Scooter.... I have a BAD ASS (VERY VERY streetable) 472/C-6/9 inch combo in a 79 ranchero I wanna sell....It's a DEAL !! PM me (or e-mail) if ya have an interest...DOVE block/heads................ jerset Skip
If you can find a pre smogger 460 you got a stump puller. For several early smog years they went thru the same detuning as everyone else and the performance went way downhill until Detroit got the emissions thing better figured out. If you can find an ex cop car they still used the hot setup thru 75 or so. Also an Edelbrok Performer and around a 750 carb do wonders as well as an updated ignition curve and a free flow exhaust. The 460 is a fav with many of the F-100 crowd. Around here Lincoln 460/C6 combos are in the weekly shopper rag in the $250-400 range and this is for good runners.
In 72 is when the timing chains changed to the more retarded version. 68 is the first year but as experimental, those ones have the same blocks and heads as the SCJs but with hyd. lifters, hard to find 370hp/485ftlbs torqe. 69-71 is the best,after that the deck height increased so slightly but helped reduce compression. Truck motors have the better rods in the later(72 & up)motors.... Every hot rod I had with one ran low 13s at least. Stock!
Actually the 429 and 460 were both released in 1968. The Cobra Jet and Super Cobra Jet heads have big valves and big ports, The Police Interceptor heads have big valves and standard size ports. The most desirable heads after SCJ, CJ and PI are the D0VE castings, denoting a 1970 head. These have smaller combustion chambers. If you're going to cruise under 3500 rpm most of the time, the D0VE heads are the way to go. The only difference in the 429 and 460 is stroke and piston. All rods are the same size. SCJ, CJ and later truck rods are preferable because of the spotface for the rod bolt heads on the rod. The standard rods have a straight cut across the rod. In my searches, 460 pistons are easier to find and cheaper than 429 pistons. I've put over 200,000 miles on the '70 429 in my '78 F-150. Tracy
just wanted to throw in my two cents worth...79 150 w/70 Lincoln 460(429 heads-school bus motor..lol), Edelbrock performer intake and 750 carb, slightly warm mallory ignition, headers, etc, TCI Truckmaster c-6 and converter.......430-ish HP with just .10 overbore...all I had done to anything parts wise was a good clean and surface, the car oil pan isn't even a prob, I just added a hard tube to the drain hole to clear the crossmember...all of y'all are right in yer own ways, 460 block with 429 heads..can't beat it for tough, easy HP
I got my 429/C6 combo in a $300 '71 Merc. Drove it home. Man, do that mama scoot! I love to start it up periodically just to hear that engine rumble and roar.
i started a thread a while back on this check it out. lots of good info! http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=48563
I have a 77-78 (don't remember) Lincoln, with the 460/c-6, 9" rear that I bought as a parts car for $400, if you want to give me what I paid for, it's yours. It does start/run, but not drivable (no brakes).
Here's a thought as well...although heavy as hell, the 87-97 Ford F series trucks came with injected 460s and the E4OD. Smooth ungodly power in a 2WD version. In a light car 14-16mpg is not out of the question. In a bullshit drag race I whipped the snot out of a mid 90's Chevy pickup with a 350 in it. Big deal you say? I had a 1900# trailer on the back as I passed him about the middle of 2nd gear. This was an 89 F250 HD 2WD with 3.55 gearing. You may find a clapped out construction/rail truck at a pretty cheap price, maybe an old municipal truck as well. Good luck with yer project.
Have had several, any 429, gets made into a 460,automatically. cranks are found easy,in machine shops. the pistons and cranks were the only diff in the short blocks. a tow van i had was a 477 .060 bore, rv cam 600 holly and the dove heads with .060 off ran 9.30's inthe 1/8 over 5000lbs. the crank when off set ground will only last about 100 runs at the drag strip, then sold to a streeter. the portosonic is a good after market intake. HRM did a build up on big blocks, 500 hp, several yrs ago.
I had a guy give me a 72 Lincoln with a good running 460/c6 combo. I'm going to use it in my 42 GMC. I also have a 97 460 crew cab f 250 that will pull 8000# through most passes at 80 mph. Great motor... 160K on mine and 330K miles on my buddies 460, never had the valve covers off. Look in the new Car Craft for some 460 info. Cheapest big block in the junk yard.
'ya beat me to it - that's got to be the biggest bang for the buck engine out there for big cubes and big HP potential. Lots of race parts out there for either, but a stroked 514" big block is hard to beat... Top it with a set of aluminum heads and a high rise intake an it'll scream!
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