On the news last night, they told about a new law going into effect Jan. 1st. When you sell a vehicle you have to fill out a form from the DMV. It will have the date and price of said vehicle.This must be done within 30 days or there is a $200 fine. I'm wondering what this is going to do to all those "open" ***les out there? They didn't go into much detail, anyone know more about this?
That doesn't sound promising. Check into it today! It'll give you time to do what you need to do. Kansas is always messing up things that way, it used to be easy to ***le a derelict vehicle. It is harder than it used to be now!
Just don't put the date on the ***ile or form until you're ready to transfer it. Texas has a fine for waiting too long as well. Only time you'll have trouble is when the seller insists that he dates the ***le & paperwork when you buy.
In Tenn (or at least Hamilton County) that form only is necessary when you claim the price you paid for the vehicle is less than a certain % of book value. May be the case in Mo. too. Basically its to stop the ******** "I paid $500 for this 2005 Tahoe" stuff that goes on.
Be glad that you don't live in Washington state. 15 days to transfer (last time I checked) or pay the fine but the worst part is that most of the licensing agencys TELL YOU how much the car is worth and you pay taxes on that amount. They don't care how much you really paid for it or what kind of condition it was is in. Fun, huh?
I'm ***umeing that you have to go to the DMV and file the paperwork when you sell. Its a good way to cover your ***. You are required to insure anything you own, they can pull your liscence now if you own an uninsure vehicle whether you're driveing it or not. Wish they had it a couple of years ago. I sold a truck to a real deadbeat who didn't liscence it or swap the ***le. He left the truck at a house where the guy ended up missing, I ended up in an investigation for a missing person and liable for a vehicle with no insurance and swapped tags. Fortunately I had a copy of a signed reciept, with my name and his. But it was a major ordeal, the cops called then showed up at my door while I was still on the phone with 'em. They weren't as polite at my door as they were on the phone. I had to ge get the truck and dispose of it. Got pretty ugly before all was said and done. Won't waste band width with it. Just ***le your ride when you get it. If you sell it again the next guy can ***le it. Always put salvage on the reciept and it won't cost as much to get her done. Ah hell Packrat I just noticed where you are the "Roll back capitol of the world" now I know why you're upset. I was in business with Lynn Chandler up until he died.
Pork is right though, it covers your *** somewhat, you don't want an un-insured vehicle out there driven by some drunk with your name on the ***le.
Yeah; & how much ******** is THAT??? If you buy a '32 coupe body, or even a *parts* car, you HAVE to INSURE it 'cause the INSURANCE CARTEL bribes ALL the politicians (calling it "campaign contributions") into inacting MANDATORY insurance laws!!! If you don't insure that body, they take your license & you can no longer drive the FIVE other cars that you paid out the *** for insurance for because it's MANDATORY so the insurance CARTEL can charge WHATEVER THE **** THEY LIKE!!! Is this a great country or what? I can tell you one thing: if they come around here telling me I have to insure all my parts/non-running cars I'll meet them in the driveway with a 12 guage & tell them to kiss my ***. I don't have a life, so I have nothing to loose.... ;^p ~ Paul aka "Tha Driver" America - made in China! :-(
I guess I live in the right place. Down here in Fla. you only have to insure it when you get the plates for it. While I am building one, I'm not required to insure it untill I want to put it on the road. What the hell would you do if you had a race car?????
That's why you put salvage on the reciept/paperwork when you sell one. I don't have insurance or nuthin' on the TD. But I do have a reciept that says for salvage, same on the warpigg chrysler, its ***led and legal up to that point but it has an affidafit(sp) that's says its a salvage car in salvage or not operable at this point, it is covered by my homeowners or would be covered by my renters insurance if i didn't own this dump. When I get around to liscenceing it the "official designation" will change then i will be required to insure it. personally I hate to think about getting T boned by some low rent mutha that doesn't have insurance, but its a chance I take every time I leave the driveway. unfortunaly there are way too many ghetto cruisers in KC that are just like the truck i sold. never liscenced or ***led. the guy gets 30 days max, and the already revoked liscence revoked again. I get the bill. What needs to happen is that the insurance companies need to provide afforfdable insurance, and be required to pay when the fertilizer hits the ventilator. Never happen, they are the richest companies in the nation, and when they do get caught with thier pants down the fed bails 'em out. Enough rant I guess. laws, they just sit on the capitol thinking up new laws to justify thier existance.
I think you Missouri guys should move to Wisconsin....they don't require insurance at all! It is cold here tho....
Neither does Illinois. I just transfered a ***le where the purchase date was from 2000 too, and there wasn't a fine. I think Indiana does have a 30 day period or you get fined. In Illinois you pay a flat rate for tax...depending on how many years old it is...everything over 11 or 12 years old is $25 for tax. $65 for the ***le transfer and $30 for antique plates, good for 5 years (pro-rated each year till the new sticker comes out). All in all...I paid $120 to get my car registered last week, and I don't need a new plate sticker till Dec. 2009.
Yeah, but what i was getting at is Illinois requires insurance to drive your car...they can actually put you in jail if they pull you over and you don't have proof of insurance....Not up here....No insurance required...
I sold a $400 car to a guy and he went and robbed a bank with the car three days later. The cops came knocking on my door not real nice I should say. Got it all cleared up with a copy of signed pink slip like 'pork' said... Just get I ***led and be done...
All of this makes me glad I live in Ohio. The fee for not transferring a notarized ***le within 30 days is only $5.00. Open ***les are fine so long as you're not driving the car. The BMV will accept the price you stated when getting the ***le in your name, but if you get really stupid....like the $500 '05 Tahoe, they'll send a form to the seller asking him what he sold you the vehicle for. So if both of you have your **** together and agree on a 'stated' price at purchase, there's no problem. As for insurance, we only have to sign a form stating we have it at tag time and don't even have to show proof. Jan
I always notify DMV when I sell a vehicle just to protect my ***. I usually give a bill of sale to the buyer for $20 to save the buyer sales tax. I try to get the same when I buy a vehicle. I've never had DMV question the selling price. Here in California you're not required to insure a vehicle to get ***le as long as you file a certificate of non-operation which means you can't operate the vehicle on a public roadway until you register it which does require insurance.
I got a letter from the Missouri DMV a few months ago asking for proof of Insurance on my '65 F100. The letter explained that I was chosen at random, but they must just do it by license plate instead of by "owner", because they didn't ask about my other two vehicles. The distributor ****ped out on it last spring and I haven't gotten around to fixing it yet, so its been setting in the back of my driveway. I dropped the insurance on it since I wasn't driving it, but I have it licensed with "Historic Vehicle" plates which do not expire. I wrote them a letter stating that I dropped the insurance on it and explained why. I also included proof of Insurance on my two daily drivers, even though they had not asked about them. They sent me a letter a few weeks later saying that they accepted my excuse. I'll bet they wouldn't have been as cooperative if I had not sent proof of insurance on the other two vehicles...
Pork n ****** , the Roll back capital of the world! Haven't heard that in a while! No , I'm not a car dealer, the whole thing just smacks of more big brother and government intrusion. Just didn't hit me right.
Been that way in Cali for as long as I can recall, matter of fact the fine is a % of your fees req'd to reg the car, the longer the time out, the more money you owe. As a seller I ALWAYS turn in the release of liability the day the vehicle leaves me, covers my ***.
I had that happen to me also, we had an old Mustang we drove for several years, the trans. went out I was going to pull the motor for another car so I let the insurance expire. I think the insurance company must tell them because it was no time I'm getting a letter that says I've got to show proof of ins. or I'll lose my license. Wrote 'em , told 'em come look at it sitting in the back yard . No more trouble.
They can...but they won't...unless you're a habitual offender. I got pulled over a month ago and got tickets for no registration and no insurance. Turns out if it is your first insurance violation...it's a $54 fine...after that it's min. $500, up to $1000. But I understand what you're getting at...in Illinois you must have insurance to drive...I think in Indiana it's just a ticket, not a jailable offense.
Hell that law isn't bad- its the one about the livestock that ****s...... It is called N.A.I.S. National Animal Identification System. New law to be enacted as proposed by the USDA-affecting food chain -livestock animals. This new law [will be law I understand],requires any person that buys or posesses -ANY- animal that is raised to be eaten or sold to slaughter,will have to register said animal,its [your]owners information and location[for GPS]. It also is required that the USDA be informed if the said livestock is moved off premises for any reason or if slaughtered onsite. something about containing an outbreak of a food crisis such as Mad Cow disease/or human disease such as Avian Flu etc etc etc...... So you cant even raise a chicken for a families eggs or raise a hog or beef for your own family's use without registering and participating in this program. Can you imagine the Bureacracy and GOOD BUDDY JOBS, this will create?
There is a slight "air leak" to this new Mo.car law,......it is that -IF- the car is brought into Missouri from outside our state,you'd simply sidestep that required extra page of do***entation previously mentioned and just get the existing Mo.state inspection done[12 bucks] which also doubles as an "ID/OD"[identification number check -odometer reading verification check] which is required already for all other states ***les, coming in to missouri NOW. So...... we concievably could avoid the large fine ,by "sellin" a car to a NON missouri states resident and then "buying" it back later.
In New York if you let the insurance go and get caught driving, they impound your car and confi****e the plates on the spot. I worked in a gas station years ago, the ***istant manager spent her money on pot instead of insurance and lost her car for 6 months. Then was begging the other kids who worked there for rides to work. Amusing to watch. I got the hell out of there not long after. If you don't get caught driving, it's an $8 per day fine until you turn the plates in, or the car in question can't be re-registered for the same number of days it was uninsured. So if you let it go a month, you pay them $240 or you let the car sit another month and pay nothing. But I suspect you also can't go get another car and put it in your name, they put a hold on everything. If you have insurance and add a car and the details on the card don't exactly match the reg, it kicks it back. Except they don't go to the insurance, you get a letter in the mail claiming the insurance company did not respond to electronic proof of insurance request. My '50 they tacked a couple x's onto the end of the serial number, so it kicked back, had to call the insurance company and have them correct it and resubmit it. Don't know what you do if for some reason an insurance company's system will not accept the short serial numbers some cars have as opposed to a 17-character VIN. Mine was the 178th built, so the sequential is only 4 digits (starts at 1001).
In Ok you just sign a non driver affidavid and keep the tags current without having to have insurance or pay penaltys.No biggie. T.OUT
About that Illinois insurance law... The ***** that rammed into the back of my wifes car didn't have insurance. She got a ticket and was told she was responsable to fix my car. Yea, right. The wife's car is a 2004 and we have $500 deductable on the insurance. I got to shell out $500 to fix the damned car the ***** wrecked and is responsable for. My insurance co tells me I will get the first $500 they get (if they ever get it) from her sorry ***. Between now and then, I'll bet that ***** is still driving around without insurance and now probably with out a license, looking for some one elses car to wreck. How long do you suppose it will be before I see any of my $500? Along the same lines, my deadbeat daughter has been driving without insurance in IL for at least 5 years now, but I guess thats OK, she doesn't pay rent at anyplace she moves into either. When a person doesn't care, laws don't matter. If you have no money, fines don't carry much weight either. It's us poor *******s that do what we are suppose to do that get screwed. Gene
Now Paul, I don't want ya' to hold back . Could you please release some of the inner tension and tell me what ya' really think ?
Don't get me started with insurance. Like I said: I don't have a life.... LOL. I *have* refrained from posting more in this thread. For more you'll have to wait (or maybe not) untill I get ScrewedByinsurance.com back up. Working on it.... ~ Paul aka "Tha Driver" There is no problem that cannot be solved with the *right application* of high explosives.
The law actually doesn't require you to have insurance, just to be "financially responsible" for a certain minimum amount of money in case of mishap. If you've got the minimum amount of cash or negotiable ***ets lying around then you don't actually need insurance. Just another incentive that this wonderful country gives you to be rich. Ahnold doesn't carry any insurance on his 6 Hummers since he is so rich. No wonder he thinks America is "fantastic", being rich saves him money.
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