Technical Looking for photos of Hurst syncro-loc for side shift cad/lasalle

Long shot, I am looking for photos of a Hurst syncro-loc kit #CL-3854-F, I'd like to see pics on the trans, and loose, if possible. This is the syncro-loc specifically for side-shift Cad/Lasalle with a ford x-member/torque-tube combo. Anyone have any pics of one of these?
Anyone have pics of the mounting plate P/N 1687 that is specific to this kit? Thanks for any help.

 

Did you try to contact this guy?
http://forums.cadillaclasalleclub.org/index.php?topic=126563.0

 

Thanks Rick, almost a year old, probably gone, but still a worthwhile lead. I'll give that a shot. I'm still looking for photos though, I have a syncro-lok shifter, willing to fab a mounting plate, and if I have to, make the rods. I'd still like to see pics of the hurst stuff.

 

George - are you building a car with a Cad-Lasalle trans? Would like to see what you are building. I have a Cad-Lasalle trans that has been modified to fit a torque tube - it has a Hurst Mystery shifter. Put it all together for a project and then used another trans.

 

George, are the Cad side shift trannys with the short Olds tail a lot different than the Ford? I have two Cads with Olds tails and Hurst Synchro Locs with the Hurst installation kits setting on the shelf.

 

I have a side-shift cad box already, but we should probably talk about your trans. I have also just started the hunt for a good 324 core. Any ideas? Send me a pm and we will talk about what I am working on. I tried PMing you about a week ago, for whatever reason it didnt work.

 

I suspect so, different part numbers for the mounting bracket and rods, but lets see some pics. If we can round up some pics of the stuff I am seeking, it will be good to be able to compare photos on the same thread. Maybe this thread can evolve into the official HAMB side-shift cad/lasalle shifter resource.

 

George, you remember this from Little Wing?

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/early-ford-40-48-hurst-install.378375/

I can take pics of the Cad install and post them.

 

Remember it HELL! I IMMEDIATELY printed it out and put it one of my many reference binders! That stuff is GOLD!

And if you can post those pics that would be great!

 

George...Be advised that if you haven't mocked up length in that Ford X-frame with LaSalle box/Ford mount/Ujoint, the LaSalle is 1.25" longer installed than the '37-'48 Ford is.
That is to say your Olds will go 1.25" ahead, or your torque tube will be 1.25" too long.
I built a '37 LaSalle floorshift for a guy with a '40 Coupe, told him it was 1.25" longer...he said "Don't worry, it'll fit."
I sent it to him, he called me, said it was too long...mount went past where it was supposed to, etc.
He summed it up with, "Thanks for the deal, though...my buddy has a '32 Five window and gave me twice what I paid you for it!"

Soooo... if it's going in that 'A' Coupe(?) I think you have, it'll be good.
Sorry for the long-windedness, but now you know everything...LOL

 

ss34coupe, would you be willing to post some pics of your mystery shifter set-up? Might be useful to have that here as well.

 

Well, I'll spill, the game plan is to put all this in a '39 ford deluxe convert I bought. I dont have the car here yet, am going to pick it up in the spring. Its almost 3000 miles away! So is there enough room in there for the olds to move forward an inch? I am ok shortening the torque-tube, but I want to avoid hacking the snot out of the x-member, and moving it back will make even less shifter room. This is why I want to see pics of the mounting plate that was specific to the syncro-loc designed to fit with the torque-tube and x member. I'll have to go back and take another look at F&Js thread where he coupled the olds to a ford box, and see if theres any room to move the engine forward a bit.

 

Ooops, Mike I just noticed your friend was putting it in a '40, guess I'll have to shorten the torque tube.

 

George, figured you didn't let that stuff slide on by from Little Wing! Here are some pics of the Hurst on the Cad with the short shaft from the Olds. Mounting plate and reinforcing arm are part numbers 1627/1628. the shifter arms are 1681 and 1682

 

Thanks VT, good stuff. Yes, I am expecting the set-up I am looking for will have the shifter position well forward of that.
Mike, I looked at F&J's thread, you would need a starter change-over or the starter would get into the steering box, but taking that into account, there would probably be room to move the engine forward. Of course, you would want to consider the effect that will have on wieght distribution, but, based on what I saw, I wouldn't rule it out. I will have to dig through my old mags and see what I can find in the way of underhood shots for '36-'40s with Olds/Cad combos, and see where the engines sit relative to the firewall.

 

303 and top-shift '37 Lasalle, look how close the generator is to the rad. My guess is he just moved the engine forward.


Not pertinant to the subject of the thread, but this view of the same car shows a subtle mod that was done a lot on '39's and '40s back when, but that you never see anymore. Anyone know what it is, and what factory ford part was used? If Mike is still following, I bet he nails this.

 

VT, can you tell me the center/center length on the trans levers?

 

Further to moving the engine forward 1.125, I bet if you did you wouldn't even have to trim the lower edge of the firewall like F&J did. Maybe Frank will chime in here, I'd like to hear his thoughts on the engine position thing...

 

You should check with dennis kirban he seems to have the mother load of knowledge on old Hurst stuff.
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/early-hurst-history-trivia.427115/

 

George, the 1681 is 9.5 and the 1682 is 13.5 inches. Walt

 

Walt, sorry, I should have used a pic. I meant the center/center on the levers on the forks.

 

I can't figure out the pm on here now either, so will have to keep working at it. Dealing with incoming relatives for a few days, and the parts are in storage, so give me a bit of time and I will get some photos for you. Will keep working on the pm and see if I can get a message to you.

 

ss34, if u putyour cursor on Falcongeorges name and click it once you should get apop up window with choices one of which is "start a conversation". click that and you can compose a message. hope this helps.
George, I will remeasure for you this pm.
Walt

 

Here's one on that auction site with a similar bracket to mount the shifter. Might be easier to modify one than start from scratch.

http://m.ebay.com/itm/191245190577?nav=SEARCH

 

George, 3 7/8 of an inch center to center on the shift levers as positioned in the pic and measured from the center of where the shift arms(rods) enter the levers.

 

Still too far back. When you use a cad/lasalle with a torque tube, the entire tailshaft housing is discarded, and the output shaft is machined to accept the ford coupler that goes on the end of the shaft inside the torque tube, and the ford casting that contains the trunion goes right on the back of the case. You tap and plug a couple holes on the back of the cad case, and drill new ones to accept the ford piece. I'll see if i can find some pics to post here so my description makes sense.
Walt, PERFECT, thats what I need, as I will have to fab those pieces, a mounting plate and the shift rods. Unless I can find a complete #CL-3854-F kit. Now that I have the center/center lengths, I will try to find the right shift fork levers at a swap meet or something, If I cant come up with them in a reasonable time frame, I'll make 'em.

 

Sorry for the multiples, I'll get right next time!

 

George, there is a fella that is retired down in Ct that rebuilds Lasalles and Cad trannys and sells them on Ebay with the Hurst shifters. He has a bunch of old inventory. In fact Frank (F&J) sold most of his stuff to him a while back. His name is Mark Shepard. His Ebay add list him a Shepsmachine I believe. Long shot but he may have the bracket. He can be reached at 8608846833.

 

Chev38, YES!! Thats it!!Thank you very much sir!! I was just coming back to add this excellent picture Paul posted on another thread, at the risk of being Obvious Man, the trans converted to torque-tube is the black one, third from the bottom.