Customs 1960 Ford Taunus de Luxe 17m

1960 Ford Taunus de Luxe 17m
Made in Germany
Have not been able to find a lot of information on this vehicle. Any info would be appreciated! This car is for sale

 

Not a bad looking little car, were they ever imported into the US? (Canada?) The original Mercury Capri was built by Ford of Germany and I had a 73 Pinto that had the 2 liter OHC engine built in Germany. (fore runner to the 2.3 liter) The engine was the best part of that pinto.
If they weren't imported, then it probably came home with a serviceman before the US got all crazy about foreign emission standards.

 

Gorgeous, they were imported to the US.

 

Yes! I have all original owners paperwork. He was military, the car was in California and then moved to Ft Ritchie Maryland. The original purchase paperwork is from Germany. I have tried everything to research this car. Found a registry (in WA) that is stating there are only 14 of theses care known in North America. Not sure how much I can believe, but certainly not common!

 

one of those lived down the street from me as a kid. The guy returned from being based in Germany with the army and had the car shipped home, his was gray and white. more memorable was his wife who also came home with him. I believe lack of available parts eventually saw it go to the local scrap yard. It sat on top of a pile of cars for 10 or 15 years before disappearing.

 

I believe lack of available parts eventually saw it go to the local scrap yard. It sat on top of a pile of cars for 10 or 15 years before disappearing.

The wife or the car?

 

Never seen or heard of one in the past but it sure looks like a cool car. HRP

 

I've seen that model/series before, there named M (Masterseries/masterclass). And engine size on liters in front.

The generation is called P2.
And this here being a German build Ford, aposed to English, French or American.

17M makes it a 1.7liters V4. A solid respected and , for it's time and by Danish standard desent powert car. By you standart it would proberly be small, cramped and gutless.
Does it run?
They can be made to run quiet nice, with moderet cam, better ignition and what was known as a Cross ram intake. Independent runner intake for two double Weber, with a fair size carb and jetting it could really go.

Over here engine swaps where quiet uncommen, but souped up stock engines what the big thing.

4 speed gearbox, 1 first gear non-syncro, rest is syncro'ed. Dont remember if it was on the three or on the floor.
Could be the thing that set standard or de Luxe apart.

The where know as "flying carpet" when they where new, because of the smooth ride.
And among the younger kids as "17 meters of taunus".

The caravan version I've never seen before, it could be something special.
Looks nice, and in good shape.

Please tell more about it's past and a little abouts it's future.

 

volvobrynk, was that v4 any relation to the v4 in the Saab Sonnet of the 70s? I seem to recall that Saab's engine might have been a purchased rather than company built engine. Lind of obscure stuff here in the US.

 

Bingo; Saab ran 2 cykle/stroke 3cylinders water cooled engines.

They did'nt want to spend time on doing a complet new engine from the Ground up.
So the went to some different companys to get engines, and then they only had to design a gearbox for FWD.

Ford was willing to send them some engines over. They got 1.5 and 1.7, both V4.
They where more or less happy with the engine, but when it came down to crunch time, they asked to get the engines in parts, sp the could do there own quality inspection and blueprint all engines in the end.
And the also cryed put to all speedpart manufactors, to do a build up of there engine, to go Racing, just for the works team.
The year after, the made the Rally and Sport division. And from that day on, every pimble faced young lad could go to any Saab dealer and buy the parts set to build a Group A, Groub B or track car. Just like the works car.
This kits often ended up in a Ford.

Sorry for the tread jacking.

 

Where is the price?

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Tom McCahill tested one for Mechanix Illustrated magazine in about 1960. They may have been imported to the US for a brief period. Ford dealers did sell captive imports (English and European Fords) before the Falcon.

One thing I remember was that he mentioned the dashboard controls, the switches were square white plastic buttons that he compared to old Mah Jong tiles.
Later.....................................
It was the September 1958 MI that had the Taunus road test. This makes sense, if they started selling in the US in 1959 and were dropped a year later when the Falcon came out.

 

We purchased from a friend who dug it out of a barn, where it has been since 1968. Seems the original owner was military I have both German and English manuals. It does run I have driven it around my lot!! Curious on the rarity and/or worth of the car. This is a 3 speed on column and does have the white tile controls inside. Check out the ebay link, t is currently listed there. There is also a link to my facebook page with an additional 40 pics to look at. She looks good underneath!!

 

Sorry guys I removed the ebay link...guess that's not allowed. Not trying to make enemies, just looking for help. Also apologize for being off topic.

 

Are you trying to sell it?

Or did you find it on E-bait?

 

'Ford Taunus- Queen of cars'.. Jean Luc Godard, 'Le histoire d' Eau', one of his first films, stars a 1st series Taunus in action. Funny, likeable little film.

Really nice colour on your car- don't change it.

 

I am selling the car. Just trying to get information or even value on the car. These seem to rare, at least where I am from.
I have no plans on changing the car, has wonderful history I like it the way it is.

 

According to the figures i could find over here, they produced 239.978 cars (17m P2, 1957-1960), thereof 45.468 station-wagons.

 

Hi,

The Ford Taunus de Luxe 17m was one of the first European luxury wagons.
The model Taunus P2 is generally one of the most sought cars made by Ford Germany. They built them in quite some numbers but most of them are gone (at least here in Europe) as
1. they were super rust-prone
2. the design was considered too "American" for European taste and dated in the 60ies, so most of them were scrapped.

The wagons are much rarer than the sedans because most of them were ridden to death by farmers and small businesses.
It probably would be easier to sell the car if it was located in Europe. I guess if yours is not too rusty and complete with OK interior it could fetch about 8.000,- € (~ 11.000 $) or more in Germany. But I can't even remember that I saw a good one for sale in recent years (at least not where I live).

Good Interior/body/chrome parts for these cars are very hard to find.

Lukas

 

You will get your value at the end of the auction. It's worth what someone is willing to pay.

 

I have a US-published "Small Car Guide" dating from (I think) 1958, in which I distinctly remember that model of Ford Taunus 17M being featured. I deduce therefrom that there was some "official" programme to import them to the USA at that time.

The P2 had a thoroughly conventional in-line four of 1698cc. The V4 was found in the later fwd P4 12M and subsequent models (it was this engine which replaced the 2-stroke triple in the Saab 96. Despite the similarity of layout it seems Saab stuck with their own gearbox despite the rationale behind the free-wheel, i.e. fuel-borne 2-stroke lubrication, falling away.)

Being aware of the P2 from an early age, via the above book which my dad had bought when it was published, I have long thought that it would make a cool mild-custom sledlet. These days I'd probably gravitate to an early-'60s treatment with substantial rubber rake, early alloys, perhaps flames over black. The German 2.8 V6 should be a relatively easy swap and might be made to give something better approaching the right sounds.

 

Neat little car. I had a 64 or 65 (its been a long time so I dont remember the exact year) Taunus with the V4 when I was stationed in Germany back is the early 70s. Looked a lot different that the 60 model but

 

Ned ludd;

Are you shure about the engine being a inline 4?

I thought they Ford engine were 1.0 and inline 4 Flathead
1.5 ohv Kent pre cross flow.
1.5 and 1.7 v4 ohv.
And a 2.0 V6 but thats later?

But that might be me my memory thats slightly broken.

 

Ned is right: The P2 had this 4 Cyl. Inline engine:



Ford Köln V4 was intruduced in 1962 and looks like this:

 

Ned ludd;

Are you shure about the engine being a inline 4?

I thought they Ford engine were 1.0 and inline 4 Flathead
1.5 ohv Kent pre cross flow.
1.5 and 1.7 v4 ohv.
And a 2.0 V6 but thats later?

But that might be me my memory thats slightly broken.

 

Ned ludd;

Are you shure about the engine being a inline 4?

I thought they Ford engine were 1.0 and inline 4 Flathead
1.5 ohv Kent pre cross flow.
1.5 and 1.7 v4 ohv.

But that might be me my memory thats slightly broken.

 

A Ford Taunus P2 shall have a inline 4 with 60hp and 1.7 liter
The V4 is counter rotating

 

Okay, my bad.

I was pretty sure that 1958 was the first year for the 1.5 pre crossflow/Kent, And the two V4.

But that might just be a memory overlap.

The two pictures of the the engine and the V4 car are missing. At least on my phone.

 

Here are some scans out of the abovementioned book:

 

I saw that car on evil-bay. Wish my wife would have let me buy it so I could have a matching pair - I guess thats the cost of keeping the wife........