Howdy. Scored a nice 292 from my buddy. I'm going to cut to the chase, I currently have a 223 in my 1958 F100, with a T98 4 speed behind it. Will the motor mounts match up? It looks like my existing trans should match up too, since I believe the 292 came with a T98. I also know I'll be running into some radiator issues, since the bottom port is on the passenger side of the radiator. If anyone has experience with this, thanks in advance. I'd like to make this swap go as smooth as possible. Posted using the Full Custom H.A.M.B. App!
The 272 Y-Block was offered as an option in '58, so this should be a fairly simple swap. You will have to order Y-Block motor mounts, but the cross member should have the right holes in it. The trans will bolt right up if you have the correct Y-Block bellhousing. If my memory serves, that is a top flow rad, so a local rad shop should be able to move the outlet to the drivers side. There may be enough room to run a hose under the fan and over to the passenger side of the rad anyways or if it is a cross flow rad. Should be pretty straight forward. Good Luck.
Was the 292 in a truck previously? If it was in a car, you will need a truck timing cover, oil pan, exhaust manifolds (ram or headers), and front engine mount. Raditor shop can easliy move the lower rad outlet. Not sure about which proper bellhousing you will need for your current 4sp trans. But if it bolts to a 223 it'll most likey bolt to a 292 with the right bell.
OK Most if not all the Fridge boxes from 57 to 60 used a hydrolic clutch. If that's the system you want to use you'll have to find the proper 57-60 truck bell housing with the slave cylinder. You might can use a standard truck manual Y block bell and convert the truck to manual linkage. If I was going to go that route I would use the parts from a 61-64 Y block truck preferably one that came with a T98. You have to use a truck bell because of the bellhousing trans mount.
It was in my buddy's truck. A '49, I think. I pulled the bellhousing off the 292, since it goes to a different 4 spd. It looks like the bellhousing between my existing 223/t98 may bolt up. Do these motors share the same starter and flywheel? Posted using the Full Custom H.A.M.B. App!
Flywheel yes. Don't think the starter from the 6er will work. What's the flywheel on the 292 drilled to? 10 or 11" clutch. Flywheels will interchange but you want the 11" in clutch plate and clutch disc in my opinion. The bellhousing bolt pattern is different from a 223 to 292y
Thanks for the info guys. As you can probably tell, I know jack and shit about the 292. And jack just left town. I took some quick pictures with the trans and bellhousing off the 292. Also got some of the "front mount", and some holes that I'm assuming bolt to mounts. I was looking at LMC truck's catalog, and it looks like the front mount goes to a '61-'64 F100. So that might not bolt up. However, my buddy had this in his '49 F1. Which leads me to wonder if there's a way to jerry rig this to my front crossmember. I can probably run some sort of bushing in between, with a few grade 8 bolts securing it in place. Another issue is that my current 223 doesn't even have rear mounts and appears to be suspended in the rear by the transmission and trans crossmember. Will I be able to do the same with the 292? The rear mounts on LMC don't seem to be a good fit. Meanwhile, my buddy says that it should "bolt right up, existing mounts and all". He knows his shit. But I don't put all my eggs in one basket. I'm having my doubts. Posted using the Full Custom H.A.M.B. App!
From 53-64 Ford truck transmissions were mounted at the bellhousing. This also served as the rear engine mount. The simplest thing for you to do is find a find a 57-60 donor truck or bus and use those parts with the 292 T98 combo. If you cannot find a donor truck do the research on the 292 T98 combo in 57-60 Ford trucks and find the part #s and go from there. Since there are so many transmissions for Y blocks you need to do the research to find exactly what you need. Any old Y block bell truck housing most likely will not fit your combination. That Y block in the photo has the front stands so it should drop right in and may even use the same rubber mounts as the 223. Your problem may be finding a Y block to T98 bellhousing with the ears for trans mount. Will that 4spd mount that came with engine fit the t98 does it have the trans mounts and is it compatible with the hydraulic clutch?
Ford truck 57-60 front motor mount. If your truck hasn't been altered then it should need a front motor mount like this... The one pictured on the picnic table I could probably sell you if you can't find another one. It in good condition but it has some cosmetic pitting.
post seven in the link. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/toploader-in-a-y-block.855710/ TCAL 7505 B - Has the tabs for the clutch slave cylinder
I'm going to get a closer look at what I have in my truck currently. The bellhousing on my t98 has tabs for the clutch and everything. Might just be the right fit. Posted using the Full Custom H.A.M.B. App!
I do know that the bell on my T98 has a slave cylinder for the clutch. Like I said, I'll take a closer look later on after work. I believe the transmission is also mounted to the trans crossmember. Posted using the Full Custom H.A.M.B. App!
I would rather have the six than a Y block. Better yet find a 262 six from a truck. Your six cyl bellhousing will not fit any V8. the six flywheel will fit the Y block. there is a across the frame after market mid engine motor mount available. better and easier than finding all the stock front engine mount parts. if your Y block has rear exit passenger exhaust manifolds the drivers side will interfere with the steering collum & shift linkage. You can swap them side to side where the pipes exit at the engine front. just add extra exhaust tubing to create dual exhaust. the stock truck manifolds used a crossover pipe at the front of the engine.
Saxon, want to PM me a price for that mount? I may actually need it for this weekend Posted using the Full Custom H.A.M.B. App!
That mount wont fit a passenger car engine. you will also need the truck timing cover front pulleys & water pump.
This is what I'm working with. Sorry about the greasy motor and trans. I drive this thing every day to work. Not much time to degrease. Posted using the Full Custom H.A.M.B. App!
You could go the t5 route with the 292. Better in the long run. http://www.ford-y-block.com/truckt5.htm Timing cover http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-Y-BLOC...Parts_Accessories&hash=item41846f4927&vxp=mtr If the 223 is running. Build up the 292, figure out what you want and need, then build it. If I can help I will with what I have. Ask http://www.ford-y-block.com/techincal.htm
Wolf, the motor is from a truck. Saxon, thanks for your help. I'm gonna pull the thing out this weekend. See exactly what I'm working with. My buddy has a T87 over here too that was originally on the motor, but it has a bolt broken off in the output shaft. I'll see if its salvageable. The T98 isn't stock to my truck, so I really don't think I'll know what I have until its out in the open. That T85 has a different clutch setup though. Kind of wanted to avoid that, since I just redid all of that not even 6 months ago. Posted using the Full Custom H.A.M.B. App!
Although the motor was in a truck it was a 49 as you mentioned. A 49 ford would have had a flathead in it originally. So it was mod'ed. Take some time asking questions, research, and do some reading before you tear it all apart, would be my suggestion. Best of luck
Definitely agree. I'd like as little downtime as possible. He may have just ran a few bolts straight through his front crossmember. Posted using the Full Custom H.A.M.B. App!
It looks like I may just run a length of square beam across my frame, and then mount the motor there. My buddy had his ran like that, no problems at all. I enjoy welding anyway. May give me a little more piece of mind that theres some extra support in there. The bellhousing on my T98 probably won't fit. It looks like it is pretty damn close, but I won't know until its out. Either way, I need to replace a throwout bearing. I'll pull it out this weekend with the intention of just doing that, and while I'm at it, I'll see what lines up. Posted using the Full Custom H.A.M.B. App!
Stop, Think, be patient. There is no need to do that since Y blocks were factory in these trucks. Do the research and find out what bolts in. They made thousands of them and you can find the parts. Buy a factory shop manual. Buy a factory assembly/parts manual. Study them. Go look at some trucks like yours. Heck you may find plenty in the junkyard if your lucky. They also pop up from time to time on Craigslist. It's real easy to confused on an internet forum especially if your not familiar with the subject. Do the research. You may need to go with the more common toploader 3 speed. Heck I've got one you can have if you pay shipping.
Thanks for the words, F-ONE. The main reason I'm considering keeping the T98 is because I already have the clutch set up specific to that transmission. What model is your 3 speed? Is it hydraulic? If its an easy bolt in replacement to what I have, I'd consider it Posted using the Full Custom H.A.M.B. App!
There's a salvage yard that I visit regularly that has several older fords with y blocks in them still. If you can let me know exactly what you need I might be able to round it up for you. Where are you located?
I am located in the burning apocalyptic wasteland of Bakersfield, CA. Holy hell its hot today. And I work on a roof too. Posted using the Full Custom H.A.M.B. App!
It's a 1964 Toploader 303 3 speed syncromesh. Since you are in California, you likely can find one local for less than the shipping. It should fit any Y block light duty transmission bellhousing to 1954. It has the short truck tail, so it's shorter than the big T98 meaning you'll have to get the driveshaft cut. Even if you find one with the longer tail, you still may need to modify the driveshaft. The bellhousing determines the clutch type. Let me know. 1961-64 Y block engine stand, mounts to tube crossmember under core support 1957-60 Mounts to stands on front cross member. Does your truck have these stands?
Post a picture of the front engine mounts of 223 and a few pictures of the engine compartment. A couple pictures of the whole 292, so we can see the complete engine. Then we can get a look of what you'll need. Don't start welding things in before you have a plan. Heck I'll send you the front motor mount for $20 shipped if it's the one you need. Which I'm pretty certain it is. Just did this on a 57 truck. 223 to 292. It may cost a little more over all but it'll look and work better.
If your a welder you shouldn't have any problems making a front side mount make it to where it bolts to the frame and uses the car rubber mount that bolt to the sides of the engine. I once put a 430 Mel in a ford pk and made a front engine mount like I described.
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