Shades of the Past....what's wrong with these guys??

wow....this ****s. this is the first i've seen of the elitest street rodder mentality on the nastaglia side. and it's real bummer.

i'll start with shades of the past, since, thats what the thread was supposed to be about. i went there once. that was one time too many. we were told at least four times that we (old car people) where not wanted there. by shop owners, restaurant employees ect. the cops are the most insanely **** *****s i've ever encountered. the mayer was on the evening news complaining about the old cars. if it were possible for an entire town to have a corn cob up its ***, it's pigeon forge tennesse. i will never under any cir***stance return there.


now, about all this other ****. old cars are supposed to be fun, right? so why would one car show opening up the registration bother you? if your that upset about one show out of many street rod shows opening up the registration then you should get a new hoby....say, b*** fishing or somthing. because, sir, you have missed the point entirely.


why is it that some people can only like one style of car? lots, not all, street rodders sit in there little elite circles talking about how much their car is worth. just knowing how lowley post 48'ers are jelious of them. well let me help you out, not everybody WANTS a 32 ford. i bet that will get a big laugh at your next car club meeting. some of us are happy down here in the sloppy pits of post 48dom.


there are lots of street rod only shows in my part of the country. few big shows that let us commoners in. gas city is one, i think goodguys in indy does. thats about it. i go look at the street rod shows too. because i like cars. the street rod nats at louisville is crazy. everyone should try to make it to that atleast once.


so the next time a dreg in a 68 cuda parks next to you at a show. say hello. he's a human being too.

 

to whom it may concern, i apologize for participating in this stupid ****.

 

The difference is most muscle car guys LIKE looking at hot rods...

 

It seems if you have a car show thats only early hotrods people complain about too many "rat rods" and if you have a car open to 1970 people complain about too many muscle car guys, who cares , just go and have fun with your friends and take it for whats its worth, or dont go. If you really hate it start your own show. Better yet start a cruise , they are way better than standing around in a hot parking lot. I cant imagine how people who try to organize car shows can please everyone.

 

I can't believe that I just sat here and wasted valuable HAMB surfin time reading this but for some uncontrollable reason I feel that I must post.

If you don't like the show than don't go to it. That's it.

I'm sorry but I gotta agree with JayD, 46Stude and Boones with this one. Sounds like some of you guys aren't having FUN anymore. If that is the case...then find something else to do...or park the duece for a season or two. or year or two if you don't have a season.

pre '37 ehhh???? - guess Ryan isn't invited.
pre '49???? - what about the 51 Coupe that looks alomst like the '49 - cause his ***le or reg. says it is a 51 - he can't get in? Bunch of B.S.

Variety is good sometimes...learn to appreciate what other people are doing or have done, you don't have to like something to appreciate it.

I'm young and this will be ignored or get pissed on but

HAVE FUN! and get rid of the holy roller duece attidude. And I honestly walk by just about every duece @ any show unless it is a truck - why? cause I can see 50 of them in each month of "StreetRodder"

I thought the most basic definition of a "HotRod" was - a car built for speed?? or something to that effect.

And havin FUN means DRIVE your car...as much as you can. I can't stand sitting around or walking around for more than a few hours @ a show...I want to drive around and have fun. - even if it is in a '69 Chevy P/U or '72 Nova.

 

DeuceRoadster is anything but an elitist, he is one of the nicest guys you will meet.... He is a normal hotrod guy just the rest of us. He is only voicing his opinion.

 

Hold on just a minute,,,,

This post was started by Randy and he just expressed how he felt about opening the show up to 1972,,,it's just his opinion and his right,,,,,then a few people start bashing guys that own deuces ,,,,,sure he has a couple of very nice deuces ,,,that's what he likes but because he does he is branded an elitist ,,,,,now that's just wrong!

Randy is one of the nicest people I know!

I agree if you don't like whats going on don't participate...I've *****ed about everything that wasn't to my liking all my life,,,,,,cars,people,taxes,,,you name it,,,

I use that show to get together with friends from all over the country,,,people that I only see once a year,,,,,,,,,I've been to everyone of the shows,,,,,the motel rates are insane,,,parking,,,forget it!
The police will cite ya if ya breath hard,,,,,,this just gives us ol' graybeards somethig else to ***** about ,,,HRP

 

I have to agree bashing Randy is not the way to go here. Top notch guy. As far as the cars go I like to see al kinds of cars most of the time , but for the most part traditional rods are what catch my eye, what I like to build, and for the most part what I will drive and spend my money to see. You're right about the guy in the cuda, but I think what Randy is pushing towards is the fact that tradition is being spit upon at alot of shows. Elitist NO. Nostalgic Maybe.Not to bash any kind of cars (one of the guys who helpe me most with my truck has a *****in 70 Hemi Cuda clone and I love it), but seeing a rainbow collection of Cuda's in a row with their build sheets plastered in the window and their owners standing aroung talking about how they have 1 of 5 produced with the chrome condom despensor is not for me; so many times this is what happens with the shows that allow in the later model veichels.
The company I work for does about 30 shows a year from coast to coast. Some are Goodguys, some NSRA, some shows like the spring Charlotte show put on by the Hornets Nest.Each show has a diffirent crowd, a diffirent mentality, and a diffirent at***ude as a whole. I agree that the year limitations are sometimes non-sensical(accepting a 48 Chevy truck and not a 51 for example), and it used to piss me off to end that I couldn't drive my 57 Chevy into any of the NSRA shows that we work, but when I started my my A Model truck I learned that there are diffirences in groups of car guys based on what the build and drive. I personaly appreciate all types of cars, bur I realise that the diffirences in the groups are not going away. We all love cars but not the same kind. So why not let it rest at that. How pissed would a guy at the Mopar Nat's be if suddenly they decide to start admitting Volkswagens to the show to broaden the base. Itwould never fly. I think this was the same idea that started this thread. Not saying one is better than another, not saying that if you do not have a Deuce you **** or are a lesser human, just saying that sometimes tradition needs to be carried on for the sake of tradition. Build what you want, drive what you want, but do not expect everybody to want to be around what you think is cool. No harm meant, just venting a little.

 

Group hug?...thank you Boones, HRP, and ShaneT for standin' up for Randy...I like him too...guess I don't hafta sell the coupe now?...sorry Bruce Lancaster

 

Shane, Thanks for the MOPAR Nats VW anoligy, I think that gives everyone a better idea about what is happening. Once the floodgates are opened to late model stuff the old timers and their older cars will stay home or find other events to attend. Cutoff dates are fine, desiding what year of production to close the gate on is the tough part, 1942, 1948, 1954, or 1964?

 

[QUOTE Mutt]***And that's the problem, with a lot of people - some guys can't afford old iron, but they insist on being included with those that can ***

JayD -"Wow, are YOU the king of snobhill???"


Actually, I'm anything but "snobhill". My point was that people have a right to have a gathering of like minded people, without having to include everyone else, whether it be a club, a show, or a drag race. As long as it's posted as a closed show, what is the problem? There are plenty of shows that include everyone, so why can't someone have a show for a particular make, year(s), style, or even color, if they want to?
It's not a matter of snobbery. That's like saying that if you have a family reunion, everyone should be allowed to come because they all have a family, even if it's not yours.
I can't afford a Ferrari, and I don't insist that they accept my roadster at a Ferrari show. But I won't call them snobs either. I don't feel the need to be included in everything.




"I understand what that HAMB is, but that's not what is at issue here. We are talking about shows, cruises or other avenues concerning cars."


What is the difference?


"You talk about 'traditional'...........Hmmmm, what's traditional? You guys are looking at this from YOUR side, maybe your side isn't what it's all about."


PLease tell us what it's all about.


Mutt

 

On a lighter note
Hi my name is Shane and I have an addiction to VW's. Figured I might as well confess and derail some of this negativity.

 

It has been my understanding that they let newer cars in to try and expose the younger set, who at the moment can not afford a new '32, to them and to hot rodding in general. In hopes to keep hot rodding alive, they attract the guys in with a Chevelle, maybe a younger family guy who is beginning to be able to spend a little money on a car, and they hope that they will see a hot rod, and want one.

I wasn't born in a '32, but after riding and driving in one, or a Model A for that matter, you see it's like a motorcycle...there's just something about it that makes it special. There is a reason why they still exist and are so sought after.

The old guys with the old cars who want a closed show are right...I guess, but they also are a dying breed, and who is going to get those pre-48 cars when they kick over? Usually a younger guy. In the mean time, the pre-48 shows have become somewhat stagnant, the same guys in the same chairs with the same cars, parking in the same spot. Look at the NSRA show Bakersfield...yawn. Same guys for last last twenty years or so. Same cars. They're done....tired, whatever.

New people bring new life. Sure, it's a h***le from what you are used to. I think some people don't like change, but when the NSRA started it was with Chevelle-age cars. They were cheap, fun, and the guys fixing them up were not restoring collector cars and antique sports cars like the grey beards at the time, and the grey beards didn't want no new street rodders comin in and messin' thangs up. It all goes full circle. I'm sure the cl***ic car guys messed up the horse shows with their fancy gas-burners, and the horse guys messed up the walking shoe shows with their four-leggers.

Is it right to wreck a show with a new cut-off date? Maybe. Is it wrong to let everyone in? maybe, but it will eventually all settle into where it's going to settle, and the show will benefit from it by actually having another show again next year. These Chevelle guys may know of old cars that you do not. They bring lines on decent places for good V8s and other parts. They are still car guys, and at the end of the day, they appreciate modified vehicles...with the exception of the chalk-marking, fender tag reading, option code-spittin' Mopar guys...those guys are nuts!


Lament the loss of how it was, that's natural, but fighting about it is easily solved by not showing up....somebody else needs your power-parking spot anyways, and the old timers will get lost when they try and find their way back to their parking spot if their familiar land marks are gone...it'll be fun.

 

Yeah..who Knew they made so many...and somehow they are all rare.(at least if you ask the guy drivin it)

seriously though. I can see what this is all about. It is not a "this is how it should be" post. this is a "this is how it was" post. I have been to so many damn car shows in my short *** lifespan that I see both sides of the coin. I have hung out with both crowds and can see the distinctions there. I like heavily modified cars (reguardless of year) they are cool. I like fully restored cars(reguardless of year) because I can see how much effort goes into tracking down the chrome covered condom dispenser.
BUT...
there are still great shows to go to that feature any type of car you can imagine. The best one I have been to was probably the Houston Autorama simply because it was all there, but seperated by portions of the astrodome.
Wanna see early tin? east wing.
muscle cars? west wing.
mega dollar customs? mezzanine
Imports ?Far end of the parking lot next to the cattle trucks...

I guess my question is this...why is this distinction so important to you?Is purely age and styling (which I totally respect.before this my last post ended with "they stopped building CARS in '73"), or is it a convenience thing? Yeah, getting around on show day may be a pain in the ****, but isn't it ultimately about the health of our hobby?(or in my case,livelyhood....)Because in this day and age as far as Cars are concerned, you can have your cake and eat it too if you pick the right events.

 

This is the HAMB, guys- the ability to bash someone for stating an opinion different than yours is a prerequisite of membership, isn't it???




I just don't understand the basis of this post. We are not talking Billetproof, the HAMB Drags, the Roundup, or the Jalopy Showdown opening their shows to '72 models. This is a car show that never has represented only what the HAMB-minded individual likes & probably has a good amount of attendees who just like looking at old cars in general.

 

So if this is the same guy folks are bashing, ya' better back off. My friend Bubba just got released from jail school and is looking for a job. I might just give him employ to seek out the dudes that are bashing a great guy . When Bubba gets ahold of ya', you'll have a new definition for bashing .[/QUOTE]


Amen Brother. Jay

 

I like old cars.

 

Accurate description of Lead East. It's billed as the "World;s Largest 50's Party"...with a now '72 cut-off date. You get featured cars like the Aztek and the Bill Kelly '32, then you watch an SS454 Chevelle drive by. Ruins that genuine ambiance. I know Lead East is kinda hokey with the Elvis impersonators, poodle skits and plethora of geriatrics, but as a huge fan of doo wop and early R&B, it's definitely the place to be. Not mention the shear volume of cars, and superabundance of cool kustoms. it's just gotten too big

 

The basis WAS / IS that the Shades of the Past event sucessfully catered to a pre 49 crowd for over 20 years. Then it moved the cutoff date up and has steadily went down in car count ever since, and he thought it was a bad BUSINESS decision.

?

 

That's all I am saying.
Shane T.

 

I like old cars too. I REALLY like the Showdown being mentioned with these shows, "Billetproof, the HAMB Drags, the Roundup"...thanks! But if I want to look at 1972 cars I'll go to the junk yard.

 

Well **** all ya'll-I'm starting the first Covered Wagon Corral and none of ya'll *****es are invited!

Let's face it-all the hot girls stopped going to our shows and started hanging out with the import/mini-truck guys a loooong time ago. Maybe they got sick of grown men going back and forth with each other like a bunch of damn TREKKIES!
"Capt. Kirk is the only REAL commander of a Starfleet vessel"(spitting and adjusting broken eyegl***es.)
"Well obviously you never paid any attention to the strength and determination exerted by the REAL Capt. Jean Luc Picard!!!"

 

Now, that's funny right there, I don't care what you brung!

 

The best show going is the LA Roadster Show. These guys are keeping the tradition going with minimal change. My biggest regret is I don't have the time or fuel money to drive my own car to it. The remaining original members are the greatest testimoney to enjoying hot rods and life. There is nothing wrong with tradition but there is a lot wrong with greed.

 

lighten up,____ all of us have a right to express our opinions, which randy did, and the others of us who posted did. so what?________________dan

 

just for fun i live just up the road from pigin ford and anyone who enjoyed fightin the traffic there for any kind of show is not running on all eight.

 

A couple of points.....

1. I've been reading this or similar controversies since I picked up my first Street Rodder magazine in 1974.

2. Mike Zenor is a brilliant, funny, colorful hoodlum!

3. I want to meet each and everyone that posted on this thread at this years "Hunnert Car Pile Up".......and I'll give ya a commerative decal, too!

That's it....

Joel

 

I know a couple of the guys in the shades, and they told me that the reason for the newer years was because they were starting to lose money. I think the guy that owns the ranch changes them something like $17,000 for the weekend. thats alot of money to try and regain. and plus the cost of the 2 give-away cars. The way I look at it is nobody is dragging me over to look at the newer stuff. I know about every big show we go to there is someone there that wonders why they let the primer rods in. and i guess those guys don't look at my stuff
I guess thats why they make black and white

 

Say Deuce Roadster.........apologies for calling you an elitist. From your original post, thats the impression I got.

Judging people by posts made over the internet isn't exactly a sound method of determining their personalities.

Group hug....................