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Hot Rods Wheel roller bearing sets by ID/OD

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by JEM, Aug 25, 2014.

  1. JEM
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    Okay, I haven't done a lot of googling on this so if there's obvious references gentle pointers would be appreciated.

    What I need is a reference to tapered roller bearing sets by ID, an inner bearing set to fit a 1 3/16in spindle diameter and an outer bearing to fit a 0.75in spindle diameter. This is a '30s Chevy Dubonnet IFS pod, factory configuration is a ball-bearing setup; there's roller-bearing conversions out there for this but they're targeted at using the stock hub and I'm looking to do something a little different.

    I want to keep the OD as small as possible. It looks like I'll be drafting up (or having some vendor draft up) a custom hub and I need to accommodate one of the standard Rudge 52/62/whatever spline configurations.
     
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  2. squirrel
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  3. gatz
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    Why not make an adapter out of steel that has a press fit to the ID of the hub and have a not-so-heavy press fit with the OD of the outer race of the bearing you want to use? then you don't have to make an entire new hub.
     
  4. squirrel
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    The adapter thing is how ECI used to do it. There isn't a commonly available wheel bearing with 1-3/16" id, which is why they make special conversion bearings for the old Chevys.
     
  5. JEM
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    squirrel - thanks tons, that'll be a big help. It won't be a big problem to adapt the 1 3/16ID up to something a little larger, that'll make sure the radius of the inner race/seat matches the spindle as well. (edit - it's possible what I need is 1.1895 ID, need to dig out the better micrometer and order up a couple bearing cones for trial-fitting, thanks again.)

    The issue here is that the stock Chevy hub is quite large in diameter - larger than would be typical for a roller-bearing setup for the spindle diameter I've noted.

    A splined adapter to bolt on over the hub is going to be vastly bigger than I really want - and I'm sure the cost of an an adapter for a 6x5.5 BC with a 3.5in or whatever pilot diameter isn't going to be a whole lot less than just doing a hub.
     
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  6. JEM
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    Thanks again squirrel, a little more measuring and pulled the trigger on 09067/09196 outers and 15118/15244 inners via Amazon, we'll see if they're the right bits.
     
  7. squirrel
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    hope it all works out...you need to give us some pics when you're making parts, of course.
     
  8. Ned Ludd
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  9. JEM
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    This is the sorta-Brooklands-ish roadster that started out in the brain as '93%-scale Napier-Railton', it's gone through a few conceptual revisions from that idea (retains the very thick-section underslung frame but the side rails end up with a couple subtle bends to widen out the rear just a bit, '30s Chevy Dubonnet IFS pods hung on a fabricated tube instead of a semi-elliptic for the front end, a body wide enough for two seats - even if staggered - means the rear suspension loses the upper pair of springs, so it's now a pair of long externally-hung floating cantilever springs along the frame rails and a torque arm underneath for axle location, all of this is do***ented '30s practice even if not necessarily used together on any one notable period car...)

    One of the advantages of this sort of slightly brutal iron****ery is that the frame can be welded up on a flat table. The frame rails are 2x6x.125 steel (it'll be covered or skirted everywhere that it's not appropriate to reveal it's not channel), I just spent an hour and a half of quality time on the waterjet cutting the plasma-cutter templates for the front and rear horns and various crossmember and suspension-bracket locating holes.

    The front suspension is largely done (I've got a complete axle tube with fittings and a couple shelves full of spare Dubonnet pods, and one complete set cleaned up and ready at least for prototyping, the pods will accommodate a 2.5in coilover spring of suitably m***ive rate if/when I get to that point), and the rear suspension bits are - well, the springs are a couple 2x2 beams with mounts on the ends, but that'll work until I've got a frame.

    I'll start a build thread once I've got something cut that looks like a reasonable frame rail.

    I've put far less thought into what the body needs to look like, I'll get a running frame first and then worry about that. It'll probably come out a little closer to H***an-Bentley, Alfa, or junk-formula Indycar than Cobb's beast, but it'll definitely be period.

    The bearings I ordered fit the spindle OD nicely, there were a couple forging flaws on one of the spindles that made the inner bearing a little too snug but those were easily knocked down with a sanding disc. The spindle has a much fatter inner seating radius than even the largest-radius bearing cone available, so I'll probably have to cut down some of the OE ball-bearing inner races to adapt the radii.
     
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