Any WWII Jeep enthusiasts? Looking for Go-Devil info...

Been exploring possible engine options to replace the anemic 22hp, babbit-bearinged, no-waterpump, 932cc engine in my new toy - a Model-Y (see this thread: http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63848 )

The engine compartment is tiny on this little car & my dad suggested the 4-cylinder out of an old WWII-era Jeep. So I did a little research & these beastly little things put out 60HP stock, they're obviously reliable or they wouldn't have won the war, & it's still a 4-banger flatty in keeping with the car's origins (for now...).

Been searching the internet & not having much luck with anything beyond replacement parts. Wondering if there was any performance market at all for these (head, cam, intake, header, etc)?

Also wondering about dimensions - all my scheming is based solely on pictures & using various components in a futile attempt to judge scale. I'd be looking for bellhousing mounting to front pulley dimension & anything else of significance.

Also wondering about the transmission offered in the Jeepster - 3spd w/OD & if it bolts to the same bellhousing as the 4WD Jeep tranny does?

Any help on this greatly appreciated!

 

any jeep engine from a ww2 vintage jeep is going to be very scarce and expensive over in europe, many very protective jeep clubs they like to document the real war jeeps and the parts are coveted, however many later year jeeps, still flathead or even the engine from the 50's are overhead valve, out of a cj3b ,i would go to the http://www.film.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Index.html site or even over to the http://www.jeepclubinternational.com/orj_pages/orj02.htm, many places to search, you can upgrade the ignition, change carbs make your own headers, the trans are t90,no tail shaft, they bolt to a transfer case, ther later year jeeps use a t84 ,the jeepster engine is the same, the transmission is a version that has a tailshaft for a 2 wheel drive,

 

The Willys Flat head four was used in many applications not just jeeps look in old fork lifts, wharehouse tugs, Generators. The CJ2s have the flat four and it will be easier to find than a flat four for a MB (Military jeep)

Dawg

 

I just loaded a running one out of some kind of powerplant on to the swap meet trailer. Shipping would be a bitch though!

 

I've got one I pulled out of my '46 CJ2A. I've always wanted to use this in a modified if I could find a trans that would work. I believe Henry J's used this same engine but know nothing about the tranmissions in the J's. Can anyone confirm that the J trans would work?

 

The J trans is the same, also some Hudson Jets, Rambler with a flathead 6, and Studebaker 6 to 59 and the early Falcon used it too.

 

How early of a Falcon? I've got a '63 170 3spd. (still in the car).

 

man, there was some manner of military V4 engine... can't remember the vehicle it was in, but if i remember, it was in a jeep like vehicle used by the airborne. thinkin like late 50s early 60s. engine was aluminum or had alot of aluminum components to save weight, but for the life of me i cant remember what exact vehicle it was...

 

I don't rightly remember, Ben, but I think it will work.

I just sold a freshly built CJ2A engine a few months back. They ain't the cheapest to rebuild but they are reliable. What a bout a 151ci Iron Duke? I know it's OHV but there's loads out there for them. Or maybe even an Escort banger, AKA the Pinto motor, even more out there for those. Should be piles of 'em in the UK.

 

mighty mights. M-422s

http://www.olive-drab.com/od_mvg_www_jeeps_m422.php3

cool little rigs, but talk about rare!

 

believe your thinking of the mighty mite it was an aluminum 3/4 scale jeep looking vechile made for the marines to air drop power. was an air cooled?ford industrial v4
I wouldn't think that ww2 engines would'nt be that hard to find "over there"we left a lot of that stuff with friendly nations
why not use an Anglia flat four?and trans you folks must have speed goodies for those and I would think they would be easy for you to get I've had 100e's here in US up to 62 model and for a small engine they did have some snap to them.lots of early U.S. flat head engines were made by Continental casting which did blocks for many manufacturers 4-6and straight8 including tractor and industrial aplication

 

Yep - considering it it. Just exploring all options right now. The 100E takes a lot of work to get 60hp out of it where the little Go-Devil starts at 60hp! Hence my interest...

 

I know the 60 to 62 do with the 133 engine. Not sure about the 63, or the 170 engine, but I suspect they are the same. I know the 200 used a bigger trans. and I know the 170 in 64 used the bigger trans.

 

All I know is they are torquey, reliable, and mine would pull the front wheels on a hot day on sticky pavement

I seem to remember reading about someone running one in a Bonneville roadster, don't remember much more though.

 

Don't know if this will help--Look into surplus motor & transmissions for the M151 Mutt flatfender jeep from the 60's they have been scrapped but the motors & trans. are usually for sale cheap. I have seen them for $200-$300 bucks-- being in the UK might be a problem or a plus-- never can tell with surplus. By the way, I have one of those rare M422A1 Mighty Mites that had the V-4 air cooled engine but the guy before me pulled it.I was selling it til I realized it had 1/4 elliptic springs and independent rear (the front was removed before)The body is all aluminum and they made about 3500 for the USMC to air drop.

 

Isnt the Go-Devil a very small scooter? A friend has one and he swears thats its name.

 

Ah! Knew someone had been talking to me about those engines! Hi Rich!
If you're heading that way Ernie, I'll ride shotgun with you. I'll unpick that axle from the pile this week if you like.
And Rich - if you're still looking for 19's, I know someone off on a shopping spree who'll pop some in a container for you?
Phil

 

Rich,

Sounds very interesting! I may take you up on stopping by - must see if I can get out & down that direction.

What's a "FOC"?

Had thought of trying a different trans on the back too...figured the Jeep would have quite low ratios. Don't know how I'd get one back from the states, but several interesting open drive boxes available, incl 3spd/OD from Kaiser & Jeepster...

I'll be in touch via email/PM!

THANKS!

 

Free of charge....?

 

That sounds oddly familiar....

 

DOH!

I had Jag on the mind & was thinking FHC, but couldn't fathom FOC (Fucked Over Coupe?)...sometimes I wonder if I'm really blonde

 

FOC "Free of Charge" ie please get this crap out of my way so I can carry on fitting this modern overhead belly button motor.
I would forget about Jeep and start looking at early Willys/Kaiser stuff the engine is the same but mated to a car gearbox. And not sold at over inflated prices.
Also most folks with a stock Willys just throw the running gear away to drop a Hemi in and have no idea about the wheezy old 4 pot flattie. Which is how I came about mine.

Also have you considered a V860? they are small

Rich

 

Oh - another thing Ernie, the Jeep was made under license in France by Hotchkiss, and some of those had the Go-Devil engine. Pop across the ditch to find one there...?

 

Don't start him off on V8-60's......

 

Hey Ernie why not keep that "Y" all Ford and do a 1.6 Kent???

 

Yes, I think the V8-60 is the perfect engine for that little car & would love to plop one in there. Check out the link in my first post in this thread to see some of that logic/reasoning!

Check out the link in the first post here & see all the engines I've considered. Nothing is decided, but V8-60, A/B-banger, 100E, Go-Devil are all still viable options...trying to stay flathead powered & Ford is a bonus, but hard to beat 60hp out of that lil' Go-Devil...

I hear ya on prices - seems that Kaiser might be a bit thin on the ground over here, unless you know a secret stash! Willys the same. At least the Jeeps are semi-plentiful (even if the dress-up purists are overly proud of their parts). I saw that bitsa Jeep on eBay.uk for £1K - seems you could part it out for that, keep the engine (not complete - got an email in to him to find out what's missing & what kind of shape it's in).

Keep it coming!

 

From what I gather, the Hotchkiss is an improved Jeep engine, better water pump, strengthened head, that kinda thing, but all interchangable. Good thing is, restorers tend to pass over the French stuff as it's "not correct". Friend of mine has the genuine article not too far from you, I'll tap him up for the best hedgerows to check under....

 

This is picture of my flatheads from Anglia.. (<1956 no water pump,later models has a water pump)
other motor was on the boat sometimes and another was on the fire-truck´s water pump motor.

 

I thought Fat Man and Little Boy won the war. I guess one of those wouldn't fit in your hot rod though.