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Projects Mid engine 2cv : Rattus Ferrum

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by ami6, Feb 8, 2015.

  1. seb fontana
    Joined: Sep 1, 2005
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    I seen video of a guy arc [stick] welding underwater; he was wearing an out fit like a deep sea diver would wear and going to town..He was interviewed about how it worked..Here is one I just searched...http://www.arc-welding-and-beyond.com/underwater-welding.html
     
  2. volvobrynk
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    Yes, I know of deep sea welding, but not welding in I bucket. Was just curios.


    Sorry for interrupting.
     
  3. Phtttttt :p Not much of an interruption, and I think in our current world with all the new stuff coming down the pike (the road) at us it is a fair question.

    Actually a good question my friend. I have stick welded under water before, not deep underwater. I built steel and foam boat docks one summer and sometimes on installation we had to reach under the dock and weld under water. I know that at least one of the docks is still standing ( floating?).
     
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  4. ami6
    Joined: Feb 7, 2015
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    Hi,

    no water , no ice, no special deep sea diver outfit.... just welded the hole thing and blowed some 8 bar from compressor on the weld to cool them down as soon as possible.
    i do have other springs if the thing would go wrong, but i tested the springs in a severe way, no problem at all, they still work fine but are stiffer of course, maybe a bit too stiff , as i remeber i putted a big weight on them and measured how much they go down and same thing after welded the spring, as i remeber it was about 200% stiffer. I will test the car with springs that are only welded on 2 turns instead of 3.
    3 is good in the back, but in front it's too "bumpy", the cycle wings do not appreciate that.
    By the way, i've got motorcycle tires up front, sticky to the asphalt!
     
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  5. Hackerbilt
    Joined: Aug 13, 2001
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    I can't believe I'm looking at a 2CV and thinking it looks bad ass cool from every angle!
    Don't get me wrong, I LIKE 2CV's...but not because they were ever cool.
    I just like minimalistic vehicles and the 2CV is at the forefront of that style. Capable yet simple in mechanics and design.
    But you've actually taken it way past that.
    Gotta give a big thumbs up! You really nailed it! :D
     
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  6. ami6
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    15010.jpg Thank's Bill,

    on this photo (epoxy paint) you can see the rear end that i made myself, normaly it is vertical and does not folow the line of the car, i decided that it is prettyer when the line drops further with the body 1fcqdz.jpg

    on the first photo here you see an the original rear end :
     
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  7. ami6
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    Those are the homemade inner fenders : a8hf7.jpg
     
  8. ami6
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    And here you can sse the position of the engine and box with the ultra very very long gear shifter , never thought it would work, but it does to my great surprise! ;-)Also you can see the homemade floorpanels , original was not an option since the body is channeled . m9aqu8.jpg
     
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  9. Nice metal work. HRP
     
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  10. chriseakin
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    So this 2CV has twin engines? I think the angle on the wheels you are talking about might be camber which is the amount a wheel leans out or in at the top (vertical angle).
     
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  11. williebill
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    Very cool. Used to be an old guy in town with several of these, including a truck. Odd, but cool in their own way.
     
  12. captain scarlet
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    One very cool tin snail
     
  13. O.Hove
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    In this case, I like that you colored out of the box
     
  14. ami6
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    To be clear, this is NOT a twin engine! I moved the engine!gearbox
    from the front to the back, that's all,
    up front i have an empty gearbox with the disc-brakes on it and the gastank.
    2prxr39.jpg
     
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  15. Cool build, welcome to HAMB, glad to have you aboard!!
     
  16. gnichols
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    Very interesting... and cool. Gary
     
  17. Martin Harris
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    Understated: By that I mean you didn't go silly with gimmicks or over the top paint, keeping it simple and classy. Hope that explains my meaning for you Ami6?
     
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  18. Martin Harris
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    Really interesting to see your gearshift linkage. I'm in the process of converting my rod to rear engine, so this is interesting for me.
     
  19. ami6
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    Hello, for Martin,

    whatever you do, don(t know how th original shift lever is on your car, but TRY to keep the original height that i drew in yellow "H" the original height, shorter or longer gives problems! I had to shorten a bit the lever fixed on the gearbox (in bleu) and that allready gave me troubels. again, try and error with scrap metal is the way to go, don(t be satisfied with " well, it's almost ok, i'll leavy it this way" because you can't imagine how much you shift ... DSC_2883.JPG
     
  20. Very well done. I'm not sure about how well the welded springs will work. Have you thought about looking for something off another car that might fit? It's not too expensive to have springs custom wound or there may be something off the shelf you could use - try the Demon Tweeks website.

    Altering the castor angle of the front wheels is something I'm planning on doing with my Blackjack Avion (see below). Otherwise, as you say, the wheels tend to flop over on cornering with a lowered car.

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  21. ami6
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    I recognize some 2cv parts on this beautiful avon! front arms and suspension....
    What engine doe it have?
    Doe you have problems with gravel/mud projecteted upwards with those cycle wings?
     
  22. No problems at all - I've had the car for 17 years and done 80,000 miles in it. The engine is a 602cc from a Dyane with an SU carb, lightened flywheel, twin coil ignition, custom exhaust and higher compression.

    BTW - I replaced the link between the shift lever and the extension rod with M6 rose joints (a male and a female back to back) and it is a huge improvement on the Citroen rubber bushes.

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    Just added a billet steering wheel painted in body colour;

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  23. ami6
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    Vertical dampers on the front arms, oil cooler at the side, custom "cache culbuteurs" (don't know the name of this in English) and no more fan... Very nice work! also on the exhaust and heating tubes!
    Does the engine cool enough without fan? ?
    i see you have still ignition with original "vis platinees " , no electronic there?
    Where did you put the coil?
     
  24. Coil is on the gearbox and I am using a Boyer Brandsen transistor ignition.

    [​IMG]

    I don't have overheating problems but I do turn off the engine in a traffic jam.

    I have a wiring diagram for the twin coils. It's worth doing. I can send to you if you PM me your email address.
     
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  25. Cache culbuteurs - yes, custom valve covers.

    There is a useful power gain from getting rid of the fan - every little helps when you only have 32 bhp.

    I particularly like the way you have sloped the rear panel. Looks pretty.

    The car also looks better for the extended front wheelbase.
     
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  26. ami6
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    you should Blackjack ,it's really not that difficult to do.I used to drive in lowered stock 2cv's, but the steering was not that good, iI thougt it was ok but since i changed the castor angle the steering is much lighter in the corners and the tires last much longer. Now i handle the steering wheel with one finger...
     
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  27. 117harv
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  28. birdman1
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    Navy welds under water all the time. just have to hold your breath!LOL
     
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  29. Hackerbilt
    Joined: Aug 13, 2001
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    What an interesting suspension layout on those.
    Wouldn't that be cool if it were applied to something like a T bucket or other open wheeler?
    You could even tie the two leading links together with a somewhat flexible cross bar to approximate the look of a dropped axle, but still have fully independant suspension.
    Or leave that part off and really have a few heads scratching! LoL
     
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