Technical Chevy Water Pump raising, Cooling experts input wanted

You don't really have to be a "cooling expert", but I'm just about ready to weld up my "water pump raise thing" and am wandering if it's going to work. (work = keep the SBC cool in my 29 Tudor) and would like some opinions, criticisms etc.....

I still plan to put some type of bleeder on the top (I'd read on HAMB that air needs to be bled out initially). Remove some more material on main plate were up tubes connect and of course close up bottom. also need to clearance drivers side to clear cylinder head

 

Zips has been making these for awhile.

 

I've only seen ZIP's and Snow Whites pumps in pictures,
I'm not sure the size of their p***ageways and how much clearance is around the impeller.

 

I dont see why not, other than making sure the bolts don't leak as its torqued down.

 

X2..

 

making it yourself, you should drop a few degrees due to COOL factor.

 

Nice job.

 

Wow. Talk about things coming along at the right time. I priced them out and being resourceful (and inherently cheap) , I was going to try the same thing. I'm impressed. Wasn't sure how to start, but it really helps to have someone plough a trail. Great job! I am sure you can make that work. Please continue posting your progress.
Reyn.

 

Nice work. I'd only be concerned about leaks around bolts. Maybe add something so bolts don't deform and leak?


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http://jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/tech-mechanical-fan-solution.170022/#post-6748485

 

I think I'd install sleeves for the bolts to go through... that would cure the possible leaking issue.

 

Wow, this is what rodding is about, a problem and a solution. Nice work and I like the holes.

 

X2 or 3 on the bolt hole sleeves. Then you won't have to worry on the crush or leak factors.

 

Wish I had talent and skill to do that. I bought both of mine, ( Zip's) and am really pleased. But your's is way cool and will do the job.

 

Very nice work. Would you share the water pump part number/application?

 

Way cool. Perhaps an ignorant question but what water pump did you use? Also how do the pulleys line up?

Edit: I see that fraze types faster than I do.

 

Well I am not a "cooling expert" but I am pretty fair at making things work. All it has to do is supply your engine with water. Looks like you made a housing for your impeller, correct? If your clearances are good there is no reason that it won't pump, the only other things I would be concerned about is that it doesn't get too warped when I weld it. that it is leak proof and it was supported or sufficiently stiff enough that it doesn't get bent over going down the road.

Looks like you got it all under control from here.

 

Doesn't look to different than the zips as far as the clearance on the impeller,I've used several zips risers in the past. HRP

 

I'm curious, not being the traditional police, AT ALL.

When did the Zips type thing come out? Is the biggest reason you guys that run them is to avoid running an electric fan? If thats the reason, why? If these adapters werent around back then, then why are they any more traditional than an electric fan?

They "look" more traditional than obviously a modern fan (to me anyway), maybe not more traditional, but "less modern".

Anyway, not judging on any level, just curious why guys are running them?

 

Damnit it prewarcars,
Now I am curious too. I was in bliss until you brought it up.

I can remember cutting fans to make them fit before. But that was not necessarily traditional, just cheap.

 

Lol, sorry Bean.

I just dont want anyone to think Im trying to be a trad cop, because I could care less. Like some of you, I make parts, and build cars. My personal tastes run more 70s-80s "street rods" (but not painted like easter eggs or tons of billet), but I build trads, streets, hots, muscle, rats (no skulls or webs, more unfinished rods), even turned a wrench or two on some ricers and cut parts for them (dont judge, I'm fat and have to eat).

I'm just curious, nothing more.

 

Well I wasn't until you brought it up curious that is.

it is funny I built a few cars in the '70s that were more traditional builds not because of any distinct leaning in that direction but because I was building with the old guys cast offs. There chit was cool and even though it was not cutting edge it was good enough for me.

 

And your reasoning is probably also why my tastes fall where they do. I was 18 in '85, so a 70s built rod would have been getting long in the tooth and easier for me to acquire.

 

plenty will be watching this. good link from prewarcars4me. "back then" had a lot of cars over heating with no Zip's or electric fans. I have used a Zip's before with no problems. but, elsewhere people have had problems with air in system because of this set up since the pump is so high. Flow Kooler Water Pumps offers a special pump to help solve this problem.

 

I recall someone commenting on the high temp weather report for a car weekend in Salina, Kansas- might have been Poverty Flats' comment but it went something like this: "damn, that whole town's gonna smell like antifreeze"..... -rick

 

Also had leaded fuel than helped the engine run cooler. Along with less traffic and nots less red lights.

 

The number one reason guys with 1932 Fords and Model A's use the zips riser is to center the fan on the radiator,building the early fords and retaining your floors in a reasonable consideration and imperative for long legged guys like me.

The zips raises the water pump up to center the radiator with the mechanical fan.

I am one of the guys that have fought with cars that run hot all may adult life and have used more than my fare share of electric fans with less that the desirable results.

There are members here that believe the electric fan is the only way to go,,personally I will never use one again...HRP

 

I fully understand WHY a normal mechanical fan sometimes gives clearance issues. I also can find as many guys that are die hard "electrics are ****" or "electrics are the shiznit". The floor board point is mute as electric OR zips nullifies that.

Even just a "I prefer mechanical over electric and a zips solves that" is good enough for me.

I guess my question is, are any of you using a zips on a traditional rod to keep it "more traditional" and if so, I'm curious how you think its traditional. There really isnt a "wrong" answer as its just curiosity on opinion.

 

I remember seeing Snow White's version of this in Street Rodder in the late seventies. About '78 or so would be my best guess.

 

As I said earlier,the electric fans never resolved any overheating problem I had with my cars.

A lot of guys here are familiar with the horrific traffic problems in Pigeon Forge,Tennessee at the rod runs like the Shades of the Past..every year I went my cars were equipped with electric fans thinking I wouldn't run hot.

My 40 Ford sedan with a sbc ran hotter than a 4 balled tom cat with the electric fan and I damn near cooked the engine.

I have yet to run hot since I started using the zips risers and a 17" metal fan.

As for traditional,no the zips is not traditional,nether is a electric fan.

Keeping your car running in sweltering weather is paramount,,use whatever you want. HRP