Please help me with my Econoline!!!!

have a 1962 ford econoline with an inline 6 144Cid motor, with the stock holley 1 bbl carb.

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I have been having a problem that I have no idea what the reason is.

I make a left turn and the motor dies. it also does it when idling in traffic

ive checked the whole system electrically, rewired the whole thing to be exact.
and i know i dont have a short on the electrical side because i have an inline spark tester and i installed it (i tried it on all six wires too) and when i go into a left turn and i dont push the clutch in, it still has strong spark yet its not running and when i straighten out it fires right back up.

now, i ran all new gas lines, with an electric pump, with a regulator that is adjustable and a see through filter. isolated all the fuel lines, so they arent getting hot, so it wont vapor lock.and i put the filter where i can see it and it never goes dry with the electric pump.

i had the carb rebuilt by a shop that does tons of carbs and is super reliable.

i resealed the heat riser as i thought i might have a vacuum leak there.
i removed the pcv valve that is connected to the crankcase breather that skrews into the heat riser and plugged the hole, thinking just maybe its bad and that is my problem.

i am now convinced that its GAS BOILING IN the carb somehow.
only becasue thats the only thing left that i am not sure about.
i took it back apart to inspect the float and the float is good, no pinholes and no fluid inside.
the float is set at the factory height.
is it possible that if the float is too low when i make a left turn and the gas moves to one side of the bowl that its somehow making the pickup tube dry?

and if thats the case why does it not do it when its cold.

it only does it hot as i can run cold water on the carb, cooling it off and then it runs fine til it heats up again.

okay, i have replaced the exaust manifold as it had a bad leak and was super warped, so its quiet and no hot air is getting by the manifold.

i am going to replace the water pump tomorrow as its slowly been starting to run hotter lately...

i have tried EVERYTHING THAT I CAN THINK OF.


i have no idea, i am at my wits end and i want to drive it off a bridge, but if i do that i wont have a car to drive!!

any help would be greatly appreciated!!!

FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!
im so pissed

 

Dave, I agree it's somehow related to the carb...the heat thing is kinda weird though. Not sure I've got an answer other than monkey with the float level a little. Any chance the float is binding when the carb is hot?

 

binding???
i dont think so, but im gonna raise the float a bit tomorrow...

thanx for the idea, i am so fuckin over it.

 

by chance is there any baffles in the gas tank that could be cutting off your supply to the carb,or hose getting piched.Also did you check the wiring at the ignition switch,that's all I got good luck

 

What fuel pressure are you running? Have you tried a poly carb spacer to keep the heat down? We had a truck at the shop that did almost the same thing, we messed with the carb and ingition for about a week. Then we noticed a loose wire down by the starter, turned out the wire grounded and shorted out the ignition and would cause the truck to die on left hand turns.

 

Barnett had the same problem on his Econoline a few years ago. If I recall correctly, we just rerouted and insulated the fuel lines. You may want to PM Dan to make sure that he didn't make further changes later. Getting the system to run cooler could be an even better solution. Aren't you in So Cal? Im suprised that you even need a radiator???

 

Even though you have replaced the fuel delivery it still sounds like its starving for fuel! Check the jet directly and make sure there isnt any debris on it! What kind of carb are you running and does the carb have an internal pump, when the pumps start acting up they can act like a vaporlocking system! Check the carb though, I have seen carbs come from reputable rebuild service stations and still have some debris left over from the bead blasting!

Oh and one more thing is if the float is brass or plastic? The plastic ones suck and still leak!


christian

 

what shop?

solid squirt from the accelerator pump??? hot and cold???

 

Sorry I can't help you more with your van (I love that thing, BTW) but maybe I can cheer you up? This reminds me of a story my Dad tells about a guy he used to work with...

The guy had a nice little Chevy pickup that ran really good. Except on his way home from work, it would stall at this one traffic light every single time he had to stop there. He tried all kinds of things but he could never reproduce the problem except when he was stopped at that specific traffic light. He finally got so pissed one day he decided to tear the carb apart. Turns out a cockroach had decided to make the carb bowl into his death bed and, because of the grade at that one light, the little "cucaracha" body would cover the float needle seat and the bowl would run dry!

 

i completely hot wired it and had the same problem...

thanx, i appreciate all input!!!

 

5 lbs, i am going to take the regulator out and run it at full pressure tomorrow to see what happens...

where can i get a poly spacer for that carb???

 

im going to try that stuff too, i have talked to the guy who owns his van now too...

 

i did check it
its a holley i bbl
what do you mean pump acting up, it seems to pump fine hot and cold

float is brass, no holes..

 

song carburetor in lb on anaheim st

same hot and cold

 

no cockroaches in the bowl!!!!
yeah i love my van too, but i am so over not wanting to drive it.

 

Do you still have the heater hose running through the base plate in the carb? If so maybe that is causing it to get too hot.

 

yes i do, and i always thought that that cools it off actually or at least wont let it get hotter than about 180degrees

 

DAVE...... Hey, whats up ?? other than yer blood pressure ?? This is OJAI RICK... My daughters '62 Falcon was havin a similar problem, had a REBUILT carb on it and would die & even overflow ... did all the stuff you talked about to no avail ... I eneded up changing the carb to a N.O.S. Holley i found on E-gay and it went away & runs fine now... Some kinda internal problem in the old carb that no one could see.... prolly dont help, but figured id give ya my experiance with a Falcon carb...... Maybe if ya know or have another carb.. bolt it on & see.

ALSO check inside the distributor and make sure the wires inside arent frayed and grounding out when you turn........... GOOD LUCK BRO !!!

 

see, all this time i have been waiting for someone to say just that!!!!
im gonna see if i can get or "borrow" a carb...

 

Dude, drop a hand grenade in it and walk away!!! Just kidding bro.. I like Ricks idea of trying another carb, let me know if there is anything I can help with.
love
JImmy White

 

believe me, i am so close to filling it with gasoline ans throwiung a stick of dynamite in it...


know anyone who might have a carb???

love you too!

 

I just gave away a Holley 1940 that was setup for a ford inline last week, ebay hast them for under $20 all day long probably in your area too.

 

i DONT KNOW ABOUT THE $20.00 FALCON CARB.... The cheapest Falcon carb i found cost me $70.00.... and as Dave knows (I am sure) Falcon carbs only work on Falcons!! yes i know, you can put anything on and make it work, like the carb i put on mine that came off my '55 223 cu in Ford 6... and NO.. iT didnt work !!!!!!! idled at like 2500 no matter what & when ya would rev it, it would just flood out !!

Dave, just save yourself the extended headache & get a Falcon carb ... Is less STRESS in the long run!! I have an old used one that could have a kit put in, and theres a '61 Falcon in a junk yard in santa paula... but i am sure you can find one closer...........LATER

 

Another thing I thought of- does it seem to only happen when turning left in motion or does it do it sitting still? If it's only in motion, maybe you could jack up the left side of the van a little to simulate body roll. Seems like an easy way to eliminate that variable.

 

Pull the little wee Ford and drop a SBC between the rails... in the BACK.

 

I bought a holley 1940 (yes it was set up for the 144-250 family of inlines) about a year ago off ebay for 17 dollars, I pulled it out of the box and ran it on my Comet for a while then gave it to a friend last week and it's still working great on his Ranchero. I see them all the time when I search for ford 200 parts.

 

a rebuilt carb in mine didnt help. we tried that first.

-Rob

 

also, not sure if i asked you this, but are you running a stock aircleaner setup? if not i would...I think that will help as it pulls a little more cooler air in the carb from the other side of the doghouse.

I had one of those shitty pep-boys edelbrock garabage crap on there and the damn thing melted into my carb, talk about wanting to grenade something.....


i swear ill take a picture for you today of how i wrapped my carb and my lines.....i did it ghetto with the bubble wrap and zipties..., but it works. it will cost ya 5 bucks to give it a try and see if its any better and if it gets better but still not fixed get the Cool Can........hell, mount it under the passenger seat if you have to or build your own...

 

Hey Caffiene how is Dans old Green Machine? What have you done with it and ya got any pics of it recently?

 

not to hijack but at least it will keep it on top..

did some of the interior, carpeted did the back made a removable 3 piece carpet boards....and plan on painting the whole thing MAYBE in a month or two if i can find someone to sand off the flames and do a little bondo work and spray it for a good price





here are my plans for it...its a photoshopped version..






but the main thing is ive been busy driving the thing everywhere i can...........i put almost 20k miles on it so far and i have only had it 8 or so months.

now get back to fixin Dave's problem cuz i know thats his daily too!!!