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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by daveyboy56, Dec 23, 2006.

  1. daveyboy56
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    I have a zips pump riser and need to find some pulleys and a alt bracket can anyone help me with a locate for this stuff?
    Here are the numembers
    Alt bracket is #715894 50- 60 chev truck
    lower pulley is 7 1/4 DIA double vee chevy #3860838
    Pump pulley is 6 1/4 DIA double vee Chevy #3905642
    Any help?
    thaks Dave
     
  2. ELpolacko
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    The pulleys are the same as your regular small block short pump.

    I installed one on a 36 Ford a few months back and currently in the process of removing it. We put a smaller water pump pulley on, 5" I think to speed up the fan and water but it still overheated. The problem we experinced with it is insufficient water flow.
     
  3. Deuce Roadster
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    :)

    I always use the ZIP pump ... on my 32's ...

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    I always use a GM purge valve ... ( #10070107 ) and a FlowCooler plate on the back of the pump.

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    I always drill and tap the back of the raised housing and install a thottle return spring bracket too ...

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    I pay particular attention to getting ALL THE AIR out of the system and I never have a problem with enough coolant flow ... but I do use the pulleys they suggest ... :)
     
  4. daveyboy56
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    Ok tell me where you got the pulleys and a bracket?
    thanks again Dave
    And can you tell me more about that plate for the pump?
     
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  5. Deuce Roadster
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    I get them at the Chevrolet dealer ... :)
     
  6. Deuce Roadster
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  7. daveyboy56
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    Is the numbers that i gave the right ones?
    I called chevy thay said they are no good?
    Can you give me the numbers you used?
    thanks Dave
     
  8. Deuce Roadster
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    I use the numbers on the instruction paper I get when I buy a ZIPS pump ... :)
     
  9. daveyboy56
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    i have a bad copyof instructions and need the munbers if you have them or can get them.
     
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  11. Boones
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    Randy, I could use the numbers also for future reference. as I am now the owner of two Zips and one SnowWhite (currently on the car) hi-rise waterpumps.
     
  12. Deuce Roadster
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    OK ...

    I am away from the farm ... today ... :)
    I will try to get this in the next day or so ...

    Randy
     
  13. daveyboy56
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    Cool beans!!
    thanks again Dave
     
  14. Deuce Roadster
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    My numbers are
    Lower pulley # 3850838
    Pump pulley # 3995642

    I use a Everco #W2493 water neck ...

    A Gates hose # 20225 on a 32 Ford ...

    I use a 55 to 57 Chevrolet generator bracket ... for the adjustment.

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    Hope this helps ...
    :)
     
  15. avmechanic
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    Does anybody actually have a picture of the pulleys that are needed? Is the crank pulley the same as a short chevy water pump or long? I have a box of pulleys to look through but do not have the Zips kit yet and would like to know if I will need to locate pulleys as well. If anyone has some pictures of the pulleys by themselves or a picture on the engine it would be appreciated. Thanks.
    Greg
     
  16. HOTRODPRIMER
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    Hope this helps. HRP[​IMG][​IMG]
     
  17. avmechanic
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    Right on. I didn't mean to dig up an old thread but I looked through a bunch of threads and posts only to find that everyone just posted part numbers. Part numbers aren't a whole lot of good when you are looking through boxes and shelves of old used parts. That is what I was looking for. Looks like I need Chevy small block short water pump style pulleys. I am sure I have a crank pulley just need to search through the junk for a water pump pulley. Worst case scenario is to buy a reproduction one. I hate the look of all the fancy aluminum ones. Much appreciated for the info.
    Thanks.
    Greg
     
  18. HOTRODPRIMER
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    Worse case scenario is you can go to the local GM dealer and purchase new ones if you can't locate the ones you need in your stash. HRP
     
  19. avmechanic
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    I am surprised this would still be available at GM. I would hate to have to go to a GM dealer up here in Canada for a part. Their prices are insane. Even when I beg for a deal up here at the GM parts department it is usually double of what I can find it for in the states. I just some searching though, I was looking up the wrong number before. The Zips instruction sheet is not that legible. The GM PN. 3995642 Water Pump pulley comes up as a good number with plenty of reproductions. With any luck I can find one in my stuff or from one of my buddies.
    Greg
     
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  21. 19Eddy30
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    When Useing a Zipps , MAKE shore you get ALL the air out of the Engine block , Mine keep
    Going between 180 to 240 after a 30 mint drive , with medical fan , Fan shroud,
    I did all the little tricks , air bleed in the top of the water pump housing ,3 or 4 Thermostat with small hole (.050 hole ,by pass hose block to pump , ( no heater) different pulley sizes , !!! still the same Problem, drove me Nut's !!!
    So I took it apart Like the 7th time , I pulled the thermostat out , Fill the block all the way up to thermostat , let set over night abou 5 hrs, I had to refill again, about 1 to 2 qts , then installed thermostat , Then topped radiator off , started let it warm up !Bled the air screw at the pump , Now it says @ 190 all day long even when it's 100 out sides ,

    My set up is a 1930 ford with a cheap Ebay aluminum radiator , with a 327 /365 30 over , I run about 17 initial timing @ 1000 RPM ((with a Vega converter , )) total 37 deg. 10 pound Cap
     
  22. avmechanic
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    Thanks for the tips. I will be sure to do my best to get the air out. I do know how it can make a huge difference.
    Greg
     
  23. Chuck Craig
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    Bought a new water pump from Autozone (Duralast) and it comes with the backing plate on the water pump AND also comes in powder coated alum.
     
  24. 325w
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    The bleeder valve in this post can be bought thru Dorman. Comes two in a box and has metric threads.makes bleeding much eaiser.
     
  25. THE-SYNDICATE
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    By chance does anyone have a part number for the upper water hose when using the ZIPS pump in a '32? The #20225 looks perfect for the lower.
     
  26. THE-SYNDICATE
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    Ha! The age old trick.... Search function. "gates 20046"

    Carry On...
     

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