inline 6 diesel in a 28 roadster pickup

Forgive me if I'm wierd, but I'm contemplating putting a non intercooled cummins turbo diesel into a 28 roadster pick-up,am I going to be lynched for doing this
Or am I thinking too far outside the box...

 

Do what you feel like doing, It's your call & your tin.
You might get 25mpg - with a 10 gal tank 250 mi between fill ups.
Here is the So. land Diesel is higher than gas so that's a factor,
What would be the advantages & disadvantages of doing the deed

 

I got a friend with a tall t closed cab truck, with that very motor in it. He loves it.

 

Fellow in Newport, AR has a glass 32 Ford Vicky with a small 4 cylinder diesel. Gets stock off the showroom floor performance and 40 mpg.

 

That'd be nice...

The valve cover would stand up above the cowl....
Once you put an air cleaner on the throttle body, it would keep you from seeing anything in front of you...
the radiator would be so big if you ever did get a look out past the valve cover and the air cleaner...all you'd see would be tubes and fins...
the transmission tunnel would be so big you wouldn't have room to put your feet... or your pedals...
the transmission is about as long as the interior of the 28, so you wouldn't have any room to put your ass either...
the engine and tranny weigh enough that it would bend the 28's chassis...
Which wouldn't be anything compaired to how bad it'd bend the front axle...
The exhaust manifold would land right where a steering column should go...
The lack of room between the frame and the tranny would necessitate the exhaust run out the side of the chassis... right where you'd want to put your cowl steering...
hope you wern't planning on running wire wheels...
You'd have to put a monster Z in the rear to get up over the dana 60 you'd need for a rearend.
If it ever fired up, the first time you hit the throttle, it'd straighten the Z out in your newly Z'd chassis...
Not to mention the engine, tranny, and rearend, if bought used, would run about $7k dollars....
I think they make stand alone injection systems for the cummins now... for a couple grand you could buy one of those...
You did want that big injector pump and valve system hanging out in the wind right?


But hey... give it a shot... what's the worst that could happen???

 

I don't think he's thinking thinking a QSX generation Cummins. Probably something smaller in the A, B, or even C range.


But to be laughable, do you guys remember that Monster Garage where they turned that Peterbuilt into a Trike?

 

Hmmmm... Ya know I think the exhaust is on the passengers side on these motors arn't they... yeah... so the steering will fit it you can tweek it around the intake....
And the aircleaner wouldn't be a problem with a turbo motor cause you'd just hang it off the back of the turbo...
Just make sure your passenger doesn't swing his door open to far lest he rip the air cleaner off the turbo...
Which at this point would be in the right spot for your passenger to reach out and grab on to...
If you could ever convince anyone to ride in it with you...
though with the turbo your gonna have a hard time seeing around that big intake pipe running up and over the motor...
Though you could run it back behind the motor... through the cowl... it'd keep the interior really warm on... pretty much any day....


I'm sure I'm forgetting something.... well, hopefully I'll think of it before the lynching...

 

What is your reasoning for wanting to do that? What do you have against '28 RPUs????? LOL no but seriously, why?

 

KC Rodder, you have some muddled facts.

A Cummins diesel doesn't have a throttle body for starters.

Secondly, the air inlet on the turbo is forward, not rearward.

You need 1 wire to run the engine. There is no stand alone fuel injection kit or whatever you said. One wire for the fuel shutoff solenoid is all it takes.

As far as transmissions, most swappers use a turbo 400, so it's not that huge of a trans either.

 

I think KC Rodder is thinking of a Big Rig engine, not the smaller light truck ones.

Yep one wire. Makes is damn simple. I personally think it would be super cool. Who can't resist the wine of a big turbo? As for seeing around it? The higher it goes the cooler they look right? Look at the PPE.

 

You should look into making your own bio-diesel... now, I'm not normally a tree-hugging type person , but I have a coworker who is, and biodiesel looks pretty cool, easy to make, and cheaper than gas or diesel!

Ben

 

While I may be risking a lynchin' myself, what about a 4cyl. Turbo diesel out of a JAP pick-up? They are very reliable, fuel efficiant, and probably reasonably priced in the bone yard. I agree that even the B series is a bit overkill, not to mention expensive. Saw 3 for sale in Ohio recently, dude wanted $3500 for the cheap one. 727 Chrysler trans is no bigger than T400, plus when built properly is a better fit with no adapter plates required.
I spent 4 years in the trenches of a Dodge truck dealership, so would be more than happy to lend any tech support needed. The 24 valves are BADD-ASS!
Nads visited some friends in merry ole England, this summer, and they cruised all over in a vintage Chevy pick-up powered by a Isuzu 4 cyl. turbo diesel. Any idea how much fuel cost's across the pond??$$$
JT

 

Wonder what kind of highway gears you'll need for that!

Could be fast as all get out, like those late model pickups that are in the 12's with a chip.

I like it, build it!

 

I might be way out in left field also, but I think it's worth trying. In fact I have a mid - 80's mercedes benz 300D turbo diesel car setting in the yard that I picked up a year ago to use for this very idea. The cummins might be somewhat large for an A, but would work nicely in something with a larger (longer) engine compartment. I was looking more for an inline 6 truck to use - early chevy, international, etc, but an A would be neat. Run a straight pipe out of the turbo and you're good to go. Forget what everyone else thinks - build it and drive the crap out of it. Just tell everyone the rods are loose and it runs a little rich.

 

Cummins makes a 4B series as well as the 6.
Perkins has a nice little 4cyl that they use in airport ukes (The little tractors) that uses a C-4 tranny.

Cliff Crandall built a mid thirties ford P/U back in the seventies.
Used two cabs back to back to make a crew cab and then put a diesel in it.
It went to California. Anyone out there ever see this truck?
It was bright yellow with a stake rack. 70's Retro rod to the max.

Anyway...it was cool then and I'd do it now if I had one.
Build it for straight veg oil and run for free.

 

Some where in the neighborhood of 1100 Lbs!

 

I want to do something like this too. I was thinking about the 4 cyl model B. Primarily used for ag pumps and generators. I do make my own biodiesel so that is part of my motivation.

 

Crusty, what is the recipe for bio-diesel? I saw an episode of Trucks! on Spike that went over this very topic. They said it was ethanol, lye, and vegetable oil. What is the formula?

 

I thought about a cummins in place of my 235. it can't weigh more than a stovebolt. there was a wrecked dodge ram turbo 2wd that went for 5k. that would make the chevy really smoke and be dead nuts reliable.

 

GREASEL BABY!!!

I am the furthest thing from a tree hugger (like to view nature down the barrel of my shotgun) but hate the idea of spending money on fuel.

I say build it - nothing better than the clack clack of a 12 valve and the smell of diesel or french fries(greasel). Just have to build everything more stout than a regular car, but think of the torque!

 

El C, that is it in a nutshell for veggie, for bioD you use lye and methanol mixed with the grease and it is distilled to remove the glycerin. Here is a link for you to look at, the board really gets into the chemistry of it.

http://www.biodiesel.org/resources/biodiesel_basics/default.shtm

2 of my 3 company trucks are Dodge Cummins and my weekly diesel bill is about $150 - $200 so I am going to start making some to mix in the tanks.

 

Muddeled facts???

It's called a joke... Do you know what those are? Can YOU say joke? J-O-K-E? Since you seem to take yourself so seriously as to correct me why haven't you given us a step by step tutorial on how to install a non intercooled cummins turbo diesel yet? We should have a whole tech page from you by now... with drawings... and especially wiring diagrams for that one little wire... I dunno, we might not know where it goes, it might get crossed... could get tricky.... without you how are we ever going to live our lives... WE NEED YOUR GUIDANCE!!!




... yep... about as bad as we need another hole in our heads....

My post was an attempt at humor... WTF was yours for besides a poor attempt at swinging your dick around for everyone to see.....

 

I want to run biodiesel but I think all that driving around smelling french fries all day would make me hungry and then I would get really fat!
Seriously though...make yer own diesel for about 70 cents a gallon and get 40 mpg with tire roasting torque...sounds like a hot rod to me! (one that you can afford to drive)

 

Build it and drive the piss outta it. Diesels are not High RPM engines so keep that in mind when setting up gears.
A Cummins 6BT with a NV5600 5 speed would be a good combo. Throw on a set of Lucas POD injectors turn the pump up a bit a ATS exhaust manifold with a Holset HX35 and a non wastegated 14cm Turbo bolted to it Would work pretty good. I have the same setup in my 93 Dodge 4by (all but the 5 speed) The truck weighs in at 7500 lbs and gets around 19 to 22 MPG in 2wheel drive on the highway has quiite a bit of power and pulls like a freight train .
These engines are heavy tho so build the frame up strong.
Post pictures of the build.

Dawg

 

I'd thought about putting a diesel in my '48 F1. I'll stick to gas because, for me, the cost of the engine and the time to adapt it to the truck was too much money and added too much to the schedule.

Diesels are becoming an attractive alternative. My brother-in-law has two diesels, a Chevy Suburban and a Dodge 4x4 pickup. He loves them both. He is brewing his own biodiesel with a partner. He is using the methanol/sodium hydroxide process and spends about $1.65/gallon. That's about half of the pump price. No problems with either the Chevy or the Dodge. They are recovering about 70% of the methanol from the glycerin by-product. They haven't found a place to dispose of or sell the glycerin yet. Be prepared to find a place to dispose of the water from the process. You will use a gallon of water to every gallon of bio-diesel you brew.

Be careful with Methanol, also called wood alcohol. It is toxic and will kill you if ingested. You can substitute Ethanol in the process; but the recipe is different.

For engines, if you want a smaller engine package look a the Volvo Marine diesels. They are physically smaller, are in the 2.3L range and would fit very nicely in Model A. And you'd have a "Ford" in a Ford, so to speak. Ford owns Volvo now.

Another friend has put a VW diesel in his three-wheeled motorcycle. He and a neighbor are planning to brew their own bio-diesel for his trike and the neighbors VW.

With all of the bio-diesel info floating around on the Internet and the increasing numbers of people brewing bio-diesel; watch out for the Fire Departments to get the Cities and States to regulate the distillation of bio-diesel. Remember it is a flammable liquid and your City probably has ordinances on the books about how much you can store in your garage.

That's my nickle's worth.

 

No worries there... that happended long before bio-diesel came into the public eye. Home made bio-diesel is illegal for use on public roads because it (meaning yours) has not been approved as a road fuel. It boils down to an untaxed fuel source. The tax is what makes it a federal crime if discovered. And the Bio diesel distillation is allready regulated under current federal statutes formed during prohibition (distillatation/distillaries/prohibited uses). I forget how it's worded but, I couldn't find a good loophole when I was looking into it. Maybe someone else would have better luck navagting the tangled web of lawyer-speak than I...

...Though once you get past all that... the products required and the fumes created, from boiling gallons of old cooking oil and muratic acid would likely convince your neighbors that you were running a meth lab. And I don't think the police would knock softly when they came to question you about it...

 

What a downer

So, how much does a Cummins, Powerstroke, Duramax or similar weigh? the stovebolts are near 800 lbs with everything attached. I wonder if my frame could hold 500 ft lbs? i like turbos, hmmmm this could be the hot new trend in hot rodding. maybe a new ha/gr class? i'm outta control!

 

http://www.turbodieselregister.com/user_gallery/sizeimage.php?&photoid=19288&width=2
http://www.turbodieselregister.com/user_gallery/sizeimage.php?&photoid=19289&width=2

http://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149441

 

I believe a 12v Cummins is right around 1000lbs without a transmission.

 

I could see the thinking but maybe something a little less portly in size like the Nissan 6 banger. You could turbo and intercool it for a nice healthy 200+ hp