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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by ziegld1, Sep 15, 2015.

  1. ziegld1
    Joined: Feb 21, 2011
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    I have recently been given a 4 cylinder engine with no marks. It is a 4 cylinder l-head engine. It's a look-a-like Model A Ford. Any help on ID ? Even a guess would help. See attached pictures. Thanks for looking.
     

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  2. Hnstray
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    Not a Ford. Manifolds on the wrong side. Looks like same era....late '20s/early '30s

    Ray
     
  3. Phttttt that's karrrllllll. :p :D

    There has got to be some sort of stamping or casting marks on it somewhere. I would not even guess but maybe a quick google image search will ball park you.
     
  4. Hnstray
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    Benno........wtf is "karrrllllll"?

    Ray
     
  5. Atwater Mike
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    Got me on that one too, Ray.
     
  6. A really dumb guy in a stupid commercial.

    I think it is a donkey motor, IE a mule for an old saw mill or the like, industrial if you will. Some of the old continentals had the intake on that side.

    Lincoln made a banger at one time but believe it or not it was cross flow and the GM had the intake and exhaust on the driver side but they were all updraft.
     
  7. RichFox
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    It doesn't look like my Dodge Bros or Plymouth engine. They are not the same for those who didn't know.
     
  8. Bruce Lancaster
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    Looks a great deal like a British Ford engine, used in many variants about 1932--early 1950's. If so, it will be physically smaller than A-B. Layout is mirror image Model B, with slanted valves like flathead V8 tossed in.

    And what's the other lump? Industrial engine drive for this thing??
     
  9. Bruce Lancaster
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    [​IMG]

    One of the many variants of Ford 8 and 10...
     
  10. alchemy
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    How could you not see the "Ford" in that? Look at the wide stance on the front mounts. See the fan mount lugs cast into the upper pulley? The rounded bulge for the water jacket on top of the head. The shape of the front cover. The attached bellhousing that surrounds the flywheel and won't let you remove it without dropping the pan.

    Even if it's a mirror image of the usual, it's obviously FoMoCo.
     
  11. 56sedandelivery
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    I was going to guess marine application, but what do I know? I am butch/56sedandelivery.
     
  12. ziegld1
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    Thanks for the help the cut away looks like a match! You guys are great ! I'll serach the British Fords.
     
  13. Hnstray
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    sigh...........:oops: I never considered a 'foreign Ford'...........only the Model A & B...... further evidence of my dimwitted approach to solving this mystery...........as an early responder..........shudda just left it to the experts.

    Ray
     
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  14. Charlie Jones
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    Maybe a 40 or 41 Ford pickup four cylinder engine. I've never actually seen one , but I've seen references to them in parts books and shop manuals.
     
  15. Budget36
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    Why not? How many engines like this have you seen?

    Might be common in you neck of the woods...not here.
     
  16. sunbeam
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    The 40 and 41 Ford 4 cylinder was a converted 9N tractor engine no resemblance to the picture.
     
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  17. Bruce Lancaster
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    The Ford look he was referring to is in the details, not in the whole engine, which is itself pretty much unknown hereabouts. Fuel pump...front cover...pulley...mount brackets and mounts themselves...all are pure Ford. Absent in original pic, but look even at the dipstick in catalog pic...how Ford is THAT??
    Like Austin, Ford flipped the entire engine for a RHD cntered design. Inner details mix general Model B layout with flathead V8 valve geometry. Basic rig was introduced in '32, like the V*, and had about the same total production time! Now, what the heck is the device behind the engine, which sure looks like it was once attached...a pump or generator hookup? Drive pulley??
     
  18. alchemy
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    The dumpster? That looks like a Chevrolet item to me. :D
     
  19. Bruce Lancaster
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    [​IMG]
    That there thingy assembly...looks like the flange on the far side might be right for the motor...is it? And what izzit?
     
  20. Hold your tongue there, alchemy :D

    Bruce, the item behind the engine looks like a PTO- the "bellhousing" is facing away from us in the pic
     
  21. ziegld1
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    It's Ford alright ! Engine is rom a 1948 English Ford Anglia. Thanks for the replies !
     
  22. sunbeam
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    It looks like an Anglia but the ones I've seen only had 13 head bolts.
     
  23. Bruce Lancaster
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    I'm pretty sure the basic family is Ford of England...on the details, this basic engine series was built from about 1932 until about 1954 in numerous displacements and models...I have NO idea about all the variations.
     
  24. Were there any small tractors in that family tree?
     
  25. Bruce Lancaster
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    Don't think so...Ford England/Ireland made Fordsons, then other medium size tractors.
     

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