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Engine Problems... trouble shooting

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by CLSSY56, Feb 17, 2006.

  1. CLSSY56
    Joined: Dec 19, 2002
    Posts: 1,218

    CLSSY56
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    Let's get back to basics and see what's going on here.

    Chev 265PP
    305 heads (58cc)
    Offy 360° intake
    Edelbrock 1404 500cfm carb
    1968 distributor (2 years old) w/ Crane Cam XRi pointless ignition

    Only different things since I started the head swap was...
    305 heads
    Crane Cam XRi
    spark plugs- different plugs set @ 35 gap

    I started the head swap because of a blown head gasket I found while installing the XRi. Original heads looked as if valve recession was well on it's way, so I opted for the swap. 305 heads have slightly larger intake/exhaust valves. Both 265pp & 305 heads I believe are 58cc heads. The spark plug wires are over a year old and have been moved around alot because of valve adjustments.

    Symptoms:
    rough idle
    rough slow accelleration
    WOT accelleration seems just fine
    seems to miss a little when just cruising at hiway speeds
    jerky torque converter - lurches at idle

    What are your thoughts as to troubleshoot this motor?
     
  2. motor mikey
    Joined: Jul 17, 2002
    Posts: 260

    motor mikey
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    from hanover pa

    Sounds like most of the ignition stuff has been replaced. Plugs and plug wires are easy to change so start there. I would make sure you didn't over tighten the rocker arms. I had alot of the same symptoms that you had with a 283. Couple of the valves were hanging open giving it a miss at idle and cruising speeds. Also recheck your timing and make sure the ring on the balancer hasn't slipped.
     
  3. DrJ
    Joined: Mar 3, 2001
    Posts: 9,419

    DrJ
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    I think you might be retarded.

    I mean your ignition timing, if not the cam, is retarded..:cool:
     
  4. 53sled
    Joined: Jul 5, 2005
    Posts: 5,817

    53sled
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    from KCMO

    times like this I miss shop cl*** and that old Sun Machine. It would point a big arrow at ignition, vacuum problems.
     
  5. bwiencek
    Joined: Aug 30, 2005
    Posts: 325

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    First - double check and triple check the firing order and rotation of the distributor to make sure that it's correct.

    Then check to make sure you're not hanging a valve open because you over tightened a rocker and it's bleeding off compression (essentially having a dead cylinder). You'll have to do a compression check for this one or just pull the valvecovers and double-check the preload.

    Start troubleshooting by pulling the plugs wires off one at a time - when pulled the idle should drop - if one cylinder makes no difference in the idle speed/quality you've found a suspect cylinder. - will likely be wire or compresison problem.

    If they all change idle about the same then start checking for vacuum leaks - check the gasket areas by spraying carb cleaner at them (if you don't have pretty paint on the engine - use WD40 or the like if you've got nice paint) - if the idle speed changes then you've found a leak - repair it and test again.

    Other things to check - distributor plugged into the proper vacuum supply - the ignition should be advanced at idle / high vacuum, then drop when the vacuum goes low until the centrifigul advance starts in, then the vacuum goes up at speed to give a total of 30-32* advance at 2500 RPM or so.

    Check those basics and get back to us...
     
  6. Roorda
    Joined: Nov 20, 2004
    Posts: 42

    Roorda
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    from Pella IA.

    if you hook up a vacuum gauge and the needle jumps around then you cuold have a tight valve. i have had a lot of lifters that pump up solid and wont bleed off and hangs the valve open.
     
  7. jalopy43
    Joined: Jan 12, 2002
    Posts: 3,085

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    Sounds like all the above. You would be wise to tune ,using a vacuum gauge. Adjust the valves till you get the higest reading. Then adjust the timing until the higest reading.lastly adjust the idle mixture for the higest reading. A lot of problems can be traced by using this method. Make sure all the ing. parts are top notch,and the exhaust system is adequate. Sparky:D
     
  8. jalopy43
    Joined: Jan 12, 2002
    Posts: 3,085

    jalopy43
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    Sounds like all the above. You would be wise to tune ,using a vacuum gauge. Adjust the valves till you get the higest reading. Then adjust the timing until the higest reading.lastly adjust the idle mixture for the higest reading. A lot of problems can be traced by using this method. Make sure all the ing. parts are top notch,and the exhaust system is adequate. Sparky:D
     
  9. Flatman
    Joined: Dec 20, 2005
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    Flatman
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    I've got to agree with MotorMikey, sounds like the valve adjustment.

    Flatman
     
  10. jalopy43
    Joined: Jan 12, 2002
    Posts: 3,085

    jalopy43
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    Sounds like all the above. You would be wise to tune ,using a vacuum gauge. Adjust the valves till you get the higest reading. Then adjust the timing until the higest reading.lastly adjust the idle mixture for the higest reading. A lot of problems can be traced by using this method. Make sure all the ing. parts are top notch,and the exhaust system is adequate. Sparky:D
     
  11. Reset your valves while running- back em off till they TICK- the tighten em up till clickin:) stops THEN 1/2-3/4 turn more to finish off.

    Next I'd suspect you need to examine the advance on your distributor....
    test for vacuum at the distributor end and if you have vacuum fine.
    Next see if the advance plte moves when engine revs up.
    Id also suggest- a distributor swap-that may help out.
     

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