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History Looking for Early Engine Technical Drawings

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  1. BenLeBlanc
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    Hey there.

    In a project completely unrelated to my build, I am in search of some technical drawings of early engines. I am talking very early engines, such as that of Indian motorcycle co., or stuff like that.

    I am mainly interested in something that could give me some insight of how engines were created via very simple molding. I am looking for data which would allow me to at least remodel the engine, as I can see a lot of the outside, but not much of the inside.

    I only ask this because I am trying to test a couple thoughts that I have, and I think I will actually have the ability to make a model of something simple like this relatively soon. In doing so, I hope to gain some good knowledge.

    Thanks!
     
  2. F&J
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    here is a pic link for Audels Auto encyclopedias....They used to be printed yearly since the first cars. Maybe you can find one in a vintage book store, or online. lots of them still survive. Very good detailed drawings on all engines and parts of engines

    I'd maybe get a real early one, that should show single cyl or twin....but even late teens/early 20s would show much older pieces, from what I recall

    https://www.bing.com/images/search?...pq=audels+automobile+guide+&sc=8-24&sp=-1&sk=
     
  3. BenLeBlanc
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    Thanks a ton! I was saying to myself that there has to be some form of 'popular mechanics' or something that would have to info.
    Will definitely check that out, but old engine prices are insane, from what I've seen. Will keep my eyes open though.
     
  4. Rusty O'Toole
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    Victor Page used to put out illustrated manuals too. I have one of his motorcycle manuals from about 1915, it has many illustrations on the pages plus fold outs on onion skin paper that fold out to 4 times the size of the pages. These fold outs have the kind of blueprint drawings you are looking for.

    Search "The Modern Gasoline Automobile" By Victor W Page. Or "Motorcycles Sidecars and Cyclecars" the latter is available online.

    http://www.cyclesidecar.com/pdfs/Motorcycles and Sidecars.pdf

    Is there a large public library in your area or a nearby city? They should have something. You may have to ask for it, the oldest and rarest books are kept out of sight and shown by request only.
     
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  5. Zapato
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    lots of those old time manufacturers would use other guys parts. many a small engine or bump would use a model T rod and piston, they were dirt cheap even new and saved a lot of work for those early inventors.
     
  6. Bruce Lancaster
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    Like that? go to google advanced patent, http://www.google.com/advanced_patent_search , set some year limits, put the name of the company (I just put in Indian for this) and use the upper line, phrase line, whatever to hunt for engine stuff. This is an AMAZING source of information and drawings. I have found things like the Ford patents on the process (Intricate!!) for making cast steel cranks, design drawings for the '32 grill, etc.
     
  7. Rusty O'Toole
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    I'm afraid even the simplest engines require quite complicated castings and the materials are critical. There was some sophisticated technology in play quite early. Nothing like what we have today, but beyond the average backyard tinkerer.

    What are you trying to do?
     
  8. Rusty O'Toole
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    Patent drawings have their own rules and are more a schematic than an actual engine.
     
  9. The37Kid
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    Ford sold a cutaway of the Model T Engine back in the 1920's for $60.00, Google that and some photos should turn up. Bob
     
  10. moefuzz
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    An engine that powered several cars in the 1908 French Grande Prix..



    The_Cars_used_in_the_1908_French_GP_in_Dieppe_(1).jpg







    I'm not sure how hard it is to find this book, Probably eBay would be a guys best bet
    The Eagle Annual of Cutaways was filled with anything and everything including cars jets boats rockets and just about anything that could be cutaway..
    It's probably filled with stuff newer than you requested
    but it is worth a mention here..


    Eagle Cutaways.jpg









    The art of the cutaway was something that only the most accomplished artist could master.
    It took a very high level of skill to sketch things to this degree...

    Details of an Ilmor 265E Engine by Tony Matthews
    ilmor265ea.jpg



    ilmor265ec.jpg


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