Hot Rods 1934 ford survivor Milwaukee

I just purchased a 1934 ford from Milwaukee Wisconsin with a custom tube frame and I'm looking for some history on the car. The gentleman I purchased it from has owned it since 1965 and it had the tube frame already and rebuilt the car with a corvette IRS and a customs built IFS with a manual rack in 1972-73 or so I know the interior was done By Don Jean auto interiors out of Milwaukee and the current paint and fabrication and drive train was completed by Paul Wilcox who I bought the car from. The car originally had a 331 caddy motor with duel quads any additional information or pictures of the car would be awesome! Thanks

 

Hers a few more pictures before the IFS and IRS

 

Looks like a time warp!! Are you leaving the 32 shell on it? Never cared for the look of a 32 shell on a 33/34 but very kool car none the less.

 

Oh, I'd really be torn on what to do with that car. Lots of cool vintage stuff (body, white button tufted upholstery), but then you come upon that front suspension. I'd probably have to re-install a stretched I-beam like the old pics. And paint the frame black again.

 

Great score! Haven't seen it before, but I'll keep my eyes open for it! Does Paul remember the name of the fellow he bought it from?

 

I believe his last name was Wegner

 

x2 on going back to a dropped axle and black frame and drivetrain (and under floor). The cream color is a clash with the black body paint and really makes the front suspension and frame rails pop. Possibly the body was originally going to also be cream color?
It really needs a wheel/tire upgrade. Those wide front wheels make the car look like an early modified.
I'm guessing that tube frame may have been fabbed by a race car chassis shop that was set up to bend those large rails, etc. Hopefully someone recognizes the car from it's early days.
Car has a great looking chop/filled roof.
What are your plans for it?

 

I'd save the body...and shit can the entire chassis.
This is one of those times where, just because it was done BITD, ...it doesn't warrant saving

 

X2

 

I have to agree with 3WLarry on this one....... I always try to see the positive in something, but this one is hard. The Chassis just does not compliment that year of body at all. Keep the interior for it's Patina and build a more conventional Chassis for the Old Girl.
It has a ton of potential, Good Luck with your choices you have a head of you.

 

I'm totally with Alchemy's suggestions on this. Except I'd also shorten the front frame horns a little and put some round caps on them.

 

Very unique build. If it was mine I would paint the beige parts black and try to leave as much as possible. You can always change chassis parts later. A cool period statement for sure.

Done right a deuce shell looks right at home on a model 40 -- leave it.

 

I'm with you guys on this , maybe finish the frame rail into a nurf bar or bumper of some sort , those old pics with the cad look cool ... Someone with a good eye could make it work, look less awkward and still maintain most of its origional build

I don't understand why everyone is so quick to throw everything out ... Someone with some real talent put that thing together ,!

that's what happened to all the traditional cars, updated with bull shit , because others said it wasn't cool anymore circle of life I guess but , a lot of old hotrods have been lost for good cause nobody respected their roots either, if the OP doesn't like the frame or any of it , I would suggest to leave it intact and keep looking for a body and make that his own

 

I met Paul after he bought the 34, around 1968. I helped him on the 34 and he helped me when I was building a modified, track "T' roadster. The 34's tube frame was well constructed and the adaptation of the early Ford parts, the Cad motor and body work were way above the efforts displayed by many of the hot rods built in those years. I had not seen the 34 on Milwaukee streets or in any car shows prior to Paul's purchase. I know, I asked him where he got the car but, I don't recall where or who the car came from. Also, I don't recall hearing the comments like, "hey Paul you bought ____ old hot rod". At that time, the history of a hot rod had minimal importance to the next owner. Paul was a good body man and painter and he painted the 34. A few years before Paul bought the 34, I had a channeled 34 3 window, and sold it but, from 1959 to the late 60's there was a bunch of us guys that either owned or knew where every 33/34 hot rod was within the Milwaukee area. I don't recall any of the guys talking about a tube frame 34 coupe. I rode in the 34 before and after Paul made the changes. It handled and cornered a lot different than all the other 33/34 hot rods that were around. In the early 70's, IFS and IRS was one of the latest hot rod modifications to be made. Paul was a good fabricator and welder and he changed the drive line, suspension and steering on the 34.
Paul pursued some business ventures and got away from the hot rods. I thought, he had sold the 34, long ago. How did you find out he was selling it?
Congrats, it is a way cool car. It has character and uniqueness from pre 1965 and after which can't be duplicated. Cookie cutter "street rod" or "cookie cutter' traditional hot rod don't fit your 34.
I hope somebody can come up with some history before 1965, now, I want to know, too.
I dug thru some of my old pics and came across this one, it's not the same car but, it's a great picture from 1954.

 

Wild!

 

Great car but it needs the '34 grill back on it.

 

X 4 on this.

 

Like most here, I'm not a fan of the 70s steamroller tire look and other weirdness from the era. But I look at this car, with the completely unabashed tube frame stickin' out for all to see, the fat tires and slotted mags, the "cutting edge" suspension, the button-tuck interior, and wonder if maybe, just maybe, it should stay that way. I can imagine in 20 years someone will be saying "that car was so 70s! So perfect! But someone turned it into a bellybutton 'trad' rod. Snore!" All this thing needs is some webers or something more interesting/visually arresting to lend the engine some presence, paint the frame black, and maybe some white striping along the beltline/rocker molding to tie the car together, because it looks naked somehow. Never thought I could like something so clunky, but those photos of the car in its heyday are convincing. A hemi would look awesome stuffed between those rails.

 

I like it. I wouldn't change a thing.

 

lots of interesting stuff going on there that's for sure.

 

Save the body and make a paddock car/dune buggy for the kids, with the chassis.....

 

Thank you Curt, Paul is a family friend and decided it was time to let the car go, my father in law is a hot rod friend of his John Hohenadel, we own johns 32 Plymouth PB "moxie" Paul once drove the 34 ford to Minnesota for back to the 50's and they had both the cars there in 1973 or 74 we plan on leaving the car exactly as it is for a few shows, Milwaukee world of wheels and Chicago world of wheels and we'll go from there maybe Detroit hope to meet you if you if you come out

 

I plan on showing the car as is to try and get as much history on it as I can the car runs great and everything works

 

I like the car, and wouldn't change a thing. It was built this way along time ago for a reason, looks like it was put together by someone that cared. I also think so day we will be looking for period correct 70's cars, and this one would fit.

 

Myself, I would fab some stock looking splash aprons to cover those front rails, paint the frame and leave it be.I bet it handles well.

 

My thoughts exactly.

 

I'm not so sure the 5/8" thick body mount gussets are necessary..

 

I love it as is, especially the slots and wide tires all around. But then I could look at pics of the first few NSRA shows all day long. It's a great snapshot of a transitional time in hot rodding, and as long as that suspension is safe and works well, I think you would regret making changes just to try to back date it to a more presently acceptable style.

 

I know I'm opening a can of worms here, but why does this frame needs to be 86'ed? [emoji33]

I know it ain't photo-model pretty, but it's a well build frame, that appears to be straight, solid and looks like track/strip material.
I like it better with the straight axle, and the IFS ain't no straight spring in front setup, but cutting it out my be a little drastic. I'm not man enough to cut that puppy up!! [emoji215]

I know it ain't got the appeal of a 32 frame, but very few is.
I like the Model A frame, but I don't consider them pretty.

I mostly agree with you, but this time I get a WTF moment.
At least if he doesn't go out a buy a new frame, the frame builders should have the time to build you two dadgum frames. [emoji12][emoji13]

 

To the OP

I think that frame make it look like a race car, is there any evidence it was raced, and the frame was build for a specific purpose?