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Flathead Ford Pulley Problems ~ Need Help

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by axle, Mar 26, 2007.

  1. axle
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    Hey guys, Looking for someone who knows early flathead stuff REAL well.

    I've got an 8BA all dressed with earlier pre 49 stuff on it.....heads,intake,cam cover,crab distibutor,etc.

    Everything i have has the wide pulley's. My water pumps are 49 Ford or later truck (so i'm told) . I just bought an 8BA double wide crank pulley,installed it, and tightened it down. At first i thought home run but as i got it tightened up it went about 1/2 inch past the water pump pulley's , so obviously it wont line up. I bought the crank pulley from a flathead guy in Oregon who has delt with flathead Ford stuff for 30 years so i know i've bought the right part.

    Someone suggested there is a spacer or an oil slinger that should be on the shaft? I dont know if its on there.

    Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks
     
  2. flatjack
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    There should be a wear sleeve that slides on the crank and forms the surface for the front seal. Maybe the one you have has been cut off at some time. Shouldn't be a problem to make a little piece to space the pulley out that 1/2" you need.
     
  3. jetmek
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    it sounds like you left out the sleeve on the crank snout.the rope seal rides on it.
     
  4. Kevin Lee
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    Yup - two kind of pulleys here. One will have the slinger bit built in, and the other will leave it a seperate piece. Ask Bruce Lancaster about trying to install one with it built in on a crank with a seperate one already in place!

    BTW - I say "slinger" but it's really a sort of sleeve with a very shallow groove cut into it - screw like - so the oil won't leak past the rope seal.
     
  5. Bruce Lancaster
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    Yeah--obviously pulley is coming out, so look at its inner end: Yours is doubtless an early, roughly 1949, and won't have a final section there machined smooth with spiral groove...so you need the little separate section WITH those features. If you are careful, I think you can slice what you need from the narrow pulley you probably just removed--there's a nice clear demarcation line to guide your hatchet.
     
  6. Bruce Lancaster
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    Kevin, go check out the 5W interior someone is about to sell over on page one...
     
  7. LIMEY
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    Axle i got this French one from Vern Tardel it has what you need, all he does is machine off the inner pulley section in a lathe & you're good to go.
    I have no use for it so if you want give me a shout & i'll throw it in the mail its yours.

    Kev.
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  8. blown49
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  9. Kevin Lee
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    On it, Bruce. Thanks.
     
  10. Bruce Lancaster
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    I think I got dating backward--I believe early pulleys coinciding about with 1949 model year had attached seal surface, '50-3 had the loose piece.
     
  11. axle
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    Thanks guys! I appreciate all of your help. This **** gets frustrating at times!
    Kev, You are my new hero !
    Alex
     
  12. Kevin Lee
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    Believe you're right. My Merc had a seperate sleeve and I'm nearly positive it is very late production - no valve seat inserts intake or exhaust.

    FWIW I did chop the sleeve from my replacemant with a hacksaw. It was pretty obvious where to make the cut.
     
  13. LIMEY
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    Axle here's those pics for ya!

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  14. axle
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    Thanks Kev! So what do you guys think?
    Looks like i have a seal in there.
    Axle
     
  15. Flat Ernie
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    You've got too much time on your hand, Kev!

    Agree with all above, axle - pull the pulley & you should be able to peek in and see it if you do...
     
  16. blown49
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    You'll prolly lose a lot of oil if there isn't!
     
  17. axle
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    I do see a seal in there but i don't see an "oil slinger" . I hope what my good buddy Kev is sending me does the trick.
    Axle
     
  18. axle
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    Back on top one last time.
     
  19. Flat Ernie
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    Just pop the timing cover off & have a good look...:D
     
  20. olskl_dave
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    Had the same problem , search bought me here , thanks guys.
     

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