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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Bigcheese327, Dec 4, 2007.

  1. banjeaux bob
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    i saw the flywheel too.I was thinking stationary power unit.....
     
  2. ebtm3
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    Yeah Bob, later pondering turned my thinking that direction also. Carb pointed right at were a fan shroud would be, starter gear F/W, etc.

    Herb
     
  3. The37Kid
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    That Indian Twin may be a WWII generator power plant, some Google time should turn up something. Post war they were very cheap race car motors. I'll search for whatever literature I have on them. twannabe,WELCOME to the HAMB! Bob
     
  4. studebakerjoe
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    I'm thinking the flywheel clutch and bellhousing are from an early crosley which was 2 cylinder air cooled that would explain the cooling fins. Hope that helps wish I had some pics on hand.
     
  5. twannabe
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    Studebakerjoe you nailed it! That's the flywheel and bell housing. Thanks!
     
  6. studebakerjoe
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    Not the best pic but look closely you can see the flywheel cooling fins and the bellhousing.
     

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    Thanks for the welcome. I've been a member a long time but don't post much as my interest has turned more to vintage motorcycles.
     
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    One more pic
     

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  9. banjeaux bob
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    I wasn't far off with my post #8247.....
     
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    That is a different engine, a flat twin.
     
  12. banjeaux bob
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    I didn't look at the whole magazine...but I'll betchya there is an ad, somewhere near the back, from some surplus outfit in Georgia selling brand new surplus Indian engines for $49!
     
  13. studebakerjoe
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    Yes Fred the engine in my pics are of the Crosley flat twin which is where the flywheel clutch and bellhousing came from that is adapted to the Indian 741. That's what was causing the confusion...the Crosley parts that were adapted to the Indian engine
     
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  14. banjeaux bob
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    The Crosley parts are what make it very usable for a cyclecar!
     
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    like this?
    surplus indian.JPG
     
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    13001110_1135353923194855_8897430733030095373_n (1).jpg 13006642_1135353963194851_6799070279088144170_n.jpg 13062526_1135353863194861_9219266971834284516_n.jpg 13012746_1135353866528194_2721546672873942918_n.jpg 13015216_1135353916528189_1459876662588532047_n.jpg 12993353_1135353886528192_939021478857330688_n.jpg Images from Rob Pike with Ewan Cameron at the Chateau
    Impney Hotel.I think the green Morgan is the one that made the scriggly rubber mark in the drive.
     
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    13055393_1014545881915058_4384474289961299176_n.jpg 13043206_1014546541914992_3917511041997196728_n.jpg Marc pics
     
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    13006612_1014545805248399_2494278051319670797_n.jpg 12592373_1014546278581685_2979469150147184101_n.jpg Marc pics...
     
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  23. banjeaux bob
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    13007328_1617015538623146_8444238781805899807_n.jpg 13043467_1617015161956517_5229154984796316908_n.jpg 1921 ALCYON from J.V. ...
     
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    13006555_10209049313660606_2509239418389227461_n.jpg 13012729_10209107470234484_6404102277023572540_n.jpg David cyclecars were made in Barcelona,Spain by the Armangue brothers between 1914 and 1922.Early cars were J.A.P. powered.Later cars used MAG and Ballot four cylinder engines. From J-J C.
     
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  25. fredvv44
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    Something curious with the jackshaft on the David chassis. There is some lump on the right side just under the steering shaft and more parts on the right side than the left. Could it be a variable speed pulley? I don't see a tranny either; it isn't friction drive.
     
  26. motoklas
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    Fred,
    Could that be small gearbox (for 2-3 speeds) or for reverse, or for both purposes?

    I suppose that box at the middle of jack-shaft isn't differential, but just 90° transfer-box - and pulley/belt combination serve as limited differential with slipping of belts at corners and sharp curves... So, jack-shaft could be in one piece - what happened at one side - happened at another too?

    Front pulleys really looks as some for CVT, but rear pulleys look fixed? At the beginning of XX century, there were some systems for motorcycles, but both pulleys were separated in the middle and could be pushed out or pulled inside as at modern CVT... Only, classic systems had smaller ratio of speeds...

    Maybe there is somewhere textual explanation?

    Ciao,
    Zoran
     

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  27. banjeaux bob
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    Mercury cyclecar built between 1913-14. 13083347_913665535419772_112336835423560607_n.jpg
     
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  28. fredvv44
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    Zoran, in this photo it looks like a gear shift lever on top of the bevel box. Also looks like a lever going to the centerpoint of the rear spring maybe to tighten or loosen the belt??!!

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  29. motoklas
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    ==============================
    Fred,
    Lever with white knob on bevel box could be command for Forward-Neutral-Revers, similar system used for outboard motors and later used for DAF automobiles with CVT?
    Two levers on the right side: maybe one for transmission and another for hand-brake? But, they are the same - quite confusing... Question could be if lever(s) moved trans-axle or rear axle as Bedellia had?

    On most of models (racing and touring) there is third lever on right side, smaller and something behind two bigger...

    Pity that there is no photos about reconstruction of some David! Anyway, it looks as quite well-built and serious cycle-car, almost real automobile!

    Zoran
     

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  30. motoklas
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    ... some more details could be seen on attached video:

    Begining:
    spanish, DAVID soapbox.JPG

    Some details:
    spanish-david-stt.jpgef - Copy.JPG
    On a few places, it was mentioned that DAVID has variable transmission...
    Zoran
     
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