Technical Concept 289/302 cammer

So I've always wondered what the potential of having a set of heads that mimic the original 427 cammer set on a 289 or 302 giving the look and advantages of a overhead cam motor. Heck maybe even doing a 350 Chevy a set to see how they would perform. Would it be worth the time and money to bring a legend back for cl***ic cars just in a smaller cubic inch motor and what issues would you face

 

Sounds like something Pete Aardema has been doing for years.

 

Just buy a Ford Coyote crate motor and save yourself the work.

 

There was an article in Hot Rod Magazine a few years back about doing this...it may have been about Pete Aardema, but it showed Porche OHC heads adapted to a Chevy (can't recall if it was SB or BB). It was a really impressive motor when it was done.

 

I don't wanna put a modular motor in a cl***ic especially if it's going to be in a hot rod and definitely don't want no computer I fought enough with that in my truck.

 

Yeah, don't do that. It might insult tradition. Or not...

As seen in Jim Farley's Deuce roadster and looking very traditional.

And the car, covered quite well by TRJ...

These are all from a google image search. If old and new ever married successfully this is it IMO. Nobody in their right mind could think this car doesn't ooze tradition and quality as well as adapting modern stuff to please even the most hard-*** traditionalist. Don't take my example here as some form of flame or drama. Rather, I think pointing out what can be done with some planning, discipline and imagination, all the while respecting tradition vs simply copying it. Feel free to boot my keyboard in the balls if you think it needs it. Anyone...

 

With the high cost of the hobby today I can't imagine spending maybe a half million Dollars to develop something the manufactueres have already done. I'm not a Ford fan but the Coyote engine is impressive and the LS series engines are cheap and plentiful.

 

That looks great and did an awesome job to hide the modern motor

 

This is the reason why I brought this subject up these where at one point in time possible

 

Didn't one of the ambr cars have a ford prototype ohc small block a couple years ago? Maybe the nickel roadster?


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This Hot Rod was built in the 1990s by Bob Morris who used an original steel Deuce body and installed an Allen Jennings built 320 cid Ford Indy block with Gurney-Eagle heads and four downdraft Weber carburetors connected to a custom manifold. The headers were built by Mike Hamm.
http://mycarquest.com/2015/02/the-nickel-car-a-great-american-hot-rod.html

A car that inspired many features on my roadster.

 

Interesting stuff!

 

^^^^ That one is in speedy bills museum if I remember correctly


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What where Ford's early sixties Indy car engines? weren't they based loosely off the then new small block?
-Dave

 

I believe they where base on the smaller 255 and 260 small blocks and where very complex for the cam drive system similar to that of the gear drive system that was developed for the 427 cammer when drag racers started to use them. Don't quote me on that.

 

Very loosely.... while they shared basic architecture, there was very little parts interchange. Pretty much the only 'production' part in the '63 pushrod motors was the connecting rods and bearings.

 

I'd do some crazy stuff to get one like this in a ride.

 

So would I but I'm not gonna drop 6-7 g's on it and then another 2 g to make it look like its old

 

How much would you spend ?
You know the mustang racers would love one too, but they drop a LS in their fords for a rea$on.

You could source the 5.0 engine from a truck and get in around 3 grand. That will drop 3-4gs off your estimate.

 

I think at point I'd spend 1600 on used 5.4 triton 2g on blower and get it over with. Be making the same horse power with half the cost ya it wouldn't be traditional but who cares.

 

But again, thinking ahead, pictures in hand, several hours planning over a cup of coffee, true car folk work wonders in that scenario. Might not be as difficult or as expensive as it 1st seems. Same deal with taking a 4cyl DOHC and getting all "Offy" looking. Yes? No?

 

My thoughts are they are still maintaining the original heads and cam for the 289 as would I especially since the motor I have is running gt40 heads all that would be involved would be building the mounting for the cams figuring the rocker arms and drive system for the cams and if that's gonna cost me 5-6gs so be it. It would stand out in a crowd

 

I work in high-tech rapid prototyping, for a company that has $50,000,000,000 (fifty billion) in cash to throw at things.

It is my job to hand engineers pins, so that they can pop their own bubbles.

I am not trying to discourage your creativity; however, I would suggest using terms like: "if that's gonna cost me 5-6gs so be it".

Picking out dollar values in-advance for a working prototype is not a wise idea, especially considering that you might just be a power-of-ten off.

A $6,000 OHC conversion on a SBF might sound cool to you.

Would a $60,000 OHC conversion sound as cool?

You can be the next Rick Dobbertin, but you should probably check with your current, and future wives first.

 

I am sorry maybe it was mistake to even bring this subject up. By no means any ofence to any one that has posted to this you all have gave very good input and very good opinions but I think I'll just leave it as it is.

 

If all you want to do stand out in the crowd, pose with your big toe pointed and bolt the pulleys onto the valve covers. It will be a lot cheaper.

If you'll be using the same heads and cam, that defeats the purpose and benefit of going overhead cams doesn't it? When I look at heads from an Over head cam design I see great improvements in runner set up due to no pushrods In the way. I see manifolds and runners that work better. I see optimal valve placements and combustion chamber designs that allow higher compression and bigger better faster flame travel. Now that's just my opinion based just on the very limited info contained here.

 

If you really want to take this small block cammer idea to the moon... cammer 351 windsor cleaver with chevy crank journals and you would have something worthy of worship.....

 

Just don't start the engine with the hood open!

 

I'd love one, but I'd have to win the Lotto....

 

Yes and no because your loosing 2 things that have given problems or will give problems push rods and lifters the hyd. Lifters don't give you the full potential of your cam ya you can run solid lifters but then there the drag of it on the cam or possibly stick. And push rods bend. But a kit like this wouldn't be just limited to ford or Chevy it could possibly be developed for any motor ya your possibly not gaining 100 hp but with the heads that most run are aftermarket and flow rather well. And it's a proven power gain from what the article that I posted states they took a stock 289 HiPo heads and all and put a kit on it to move the cams that's it and produce 300hp