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Technical Which Fenders will fit (1940 Ford Deluxe)

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  1. sunnyorm
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    Which Fenders will fit (interchange) 1940 Ford Deluxe (Front and rears)??

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  2. okiedokie
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    39 deluxe, 40 std and deluxe p***enger cars.
     
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  3. Tim
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    To start I'd ***ume the 40 standard fenders would fit. This has been discussed a ton of times so a search might yield you some better answers.

    I typically see it pop up when people are talking about putting different front ends on the pickups. Seems there is a fair amount of variation in the cowls of each car so that's where the big figment issues would crop up.

    In my mind 39 deluxe front fenders should swap with a 40 standard because they are so similar looking but that sort of thinking generally ends up with me holding parts I could have sworn would bolt together but done.

    Give a search again and maybe try some truck key words and see what pops up. In the mean time this should bump your post back to the top and maybe someone who knows for sure can comment
     
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  4. Tim
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    As a point of clarification are coupe and sedan rear fenders the same?
     
  5. four t
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    std. & delx., coupe,2dr.& 4dr sedan, conv.s & sta. wagon fronts
    yes
     
  6. The 39 guy
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    Coupe and sedan fenders are the same. The 39 rear fenders are made to fit the tear drop tail lights, 40's fit the chevron style tail light. I believe the 40 standards would often come with a tail light on just one side. You can use 39 deluxe fenders on a 40. Early 39 deluxe fenders are slightly different from 40's between the headlight and the grill. I have comparison picture around here somewhere. 40 ford pickup front fenders are different from the p***enger cars where they attach to the cowl. I believe the 39 and 40 woody and sedan delivery rear fenders will not interchange with the coupe and sedan.

    The 39 deluxe hood will interchange with a 40 standard hood but the hood latch mechanism is different and the trim holes are different. The 39 deluxe and 40 standard grills interchange but if you mix and match them you will have to match up the latch mechanisms. The 40 Deluxe grill will fit any of the fenders but you will need to use a 40 deluxe hood to match the grill.
     
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  7. i.rant
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    The 40 standard was delivered with only a left side taillight.
     
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  8. lothiandon1940
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    ..........and if I'm not mistaken, only a left side sun visor and wiper. Not that it matters in this discussion of fenders.:D;)
     
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  9. LOU WELLS
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    There are early 39 deluxe front fenders that are unique where they bolt to the 39 deluxe grille cage which makes the grille cage special also but these were low production and rarely become a fitment problem...
     
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  10. The 39 guy
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    I posted this picture before. I think it shows the difference between the fenders pretty well. Lou I am not aware of any difference in the grill attachment area.If any of you guys have a right side 39 you can spare please let me know.
    40 Fender and 39 fender modified.jpg
     
  11. LOU WELLS
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    Thanks for the excellent photo for my file and my comment about the grille cage is from olde info that was p***ed on and may be just here say....
     
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  12. Pewsplace
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    The 39 guy is correct on the front fender differences. The Station Wagon, and sedan delivery rear fenders are different from the coupe, convertible and sedan. The station wagon is unique and so is the sedan delivery.
     
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  13. The 39 guy
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    You are welcome Lou. The lighting was just right for this photo. It is really hard to tell the difference between the fenders unless they are side by side like this. I was taught this by an old timer that used to bring 39-40 fenders to the Monroe swap meet every year. Sadly I no longer see him there. I just like to p*** it it on when I can.

    Sam
     
  14. 40LUV
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    Hey 39Guy, you beat me at posting my old picture :). Took it a Hershey probably 10 years ago by now. I found the easiest way to tell the difference is by the clearance for the screw that attaches the headlight door. At the bottom of the flange for the headlight bucket, '40s have a V notch and '39s have a round hole. 40 Fender.jpg
     
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  15. sunnyorm
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    Thanks for the info.
    sunny
     
  16. The 39 guy
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    So that's where that picture came from. Since I suffer from CRS I could remember altering the photo but not where I got it. Great photo! Thanks for pointing out the flange. There is quite a difference there and it easier to spot than the curvature of the sheet metal.
     
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  17. I have '39 rear fenders on my '40. Used them because they were already opened up for a larger tire. They went right on. However you may get tired of looking at that tail light as I have. I even turned mine upside down to be different. But they are everywhere!
     
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  18. lothiandon1940
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    .............I love the '39 "teardrops", never seem to get tired of seeing them.:) 20151126_0923432_zpsuspeggab.jpg
     
  19. Ok, yes they do look good on some stuff. ^^^But I still don't think they work on everything. I just put a Anglia together for a buddy of mine. That's what he wanted. But I just didn't think it looked right. Sure were easy to put on though.
     
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  20. metalman
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    I didn't think a 39 Deluxe and 40 standard hood would interchange without using the grill that goes with the hood. I know when I put a 39 Deluxe grill in my 40 PU I had to shorten and reshape the hood where it meets the grill. Thought it was maybe a truck thing but then I ran into a guy with a 40 tudor and his hood was short of the grill. He told me he had used a 39 hood. Just my experience, not necessary fact.
     
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  21. Hnstray
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    In an earlier post to this thread the difference between p***enger car and pickup front fenders is mentioned.

    There is a difference in them where they meet the cowl, but that is not the most significant difference.
    In fact the cowl fitment can easily be altered on p***enger fenders by flattening the flange at the point where it contacts the cowl and it fits the truck nicely.

    However, the contour of the fender 'skirt', that portion of the fender from the back of the wheel opening around to the cowl...the part where the running board meets the fender...is enough different that it requires modification of the leading edge of the running board to match the fender shape.

    In all other areas, the hood line, the grille mating area, inner panels, are the same p***enger and pickup.

    I am not advocating their use, merely clarifying what differences exist and what can be done about them.

    Ray
     
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  22. The 39 guy
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    Good points made by Hnstray and metalman I have never compared a pickup hood to the p***enger car hoods. Looking at this picture I can see that the belt line from the cab continues onto the hood. It is not clear to me if it there is a difference at the grill hood interface. Falcon George seems to think the 39 deluxe and 40 standard hoods have a different shape at the nose ( we talked about this earlier this year). This may be true. If I ever get my hands on a 40 standard hood ornament I will try it on one of my 39 hoods to see if the contour is different.

    Since I have never built a 40 pickup I don't have any experience with the pickup fender fitment at the running board.

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  23. metalman
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    Truck hoods do not interchange with the cars at all. Truck hoods are taller, something like an inch, maybe a little more. You can compare the bullnoses and it's apparent right away. My experience tells me the 40 standard hood is "peaked" more then the 39 deluxe making it longer. The bullnose contour might be the same but there would have to be a difference in the length, either in the bullnose or center trim. Come to think of it, I think I measured a 39 hood trim when I was going thru the issues with my truck and it seamed there was a difference, just don't remember which piece.
     
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  24. Hamtown Al
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    I put a 39 grille in my 40 pkp and also put the 39 hood ornament on it as well. It all looked good but the hood latch from the hood ornament did not match up with the latch for some reason so I resorted to the good old bungie cord to keep it shut. Hopefully you can tell it is the 39 latch from this crummy picture. A more side shot would better show the 39 profile that has the "steps" on the leading edge at the top versus the smooth edge on the 40 latch.
    Old "Bullet:"
    BLTfrt.JPG

    Bullet also has 39 car front fenders... yeah, I know folks say they won't fit!!
    Fit looks pretty good to me; even if I did build the whole truck. And, yes, that is a 41 pkp hood.
    Bullet was built from parts from 12 cars and 14 trucks.
    Talked to the present owner a few days ago and he reports that he finally removed all the patina and has the old pickup well on its way to being paint ready. Can't wait to see pics of it all prettied up.
     
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  25. The 39 guy
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    Thanks, metalman and Hamtown Al for your input. I realize we are well past the OP's original question but that often happens on the HAMB and there is always something new to be learned.
     

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