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Technical French Flathead

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by Mamel, Jan 31, 2017.

  1. Mamel
    Joined: Jan 4, 2015
    Posts: 37

    Mamel

    Is anybody around here familiar with French flathead?

    I just bought a small French flathead v8 out of a Ford Vedette,
    this is the smallest of the bunch the 2,158 liter one, pushing 60hp.

    Now I was wondering if anybody knew that a camshaft of an other flathead v8 would fit this smaller one..
     
  2. revkev6
    Joined: Jun 13, 2006
    Posts: 3,350

    revkev6
    Member
    from ma

    I'M sure someone will chime in with MUCH more information than I have. I just know that it's a derivation of the ford v8-60 built in the late 30's early 40's. at one point simca made OHV heads for them as well if I recall. can't answer your question regarding camshafts I'm afraid. the ford v8-60 was used extensively in racing stateside so if the parts do interchange you should have some parts to choose from.

    I found a really interesting picture searching here on the ford barn for more information. I ALWAYS like to view flathead porting/flow work... and found a picture of one of these motors torn down. does anyone know if all of these simca motors were double releived like this picture shows?? standard straight cut relief with a deeper round cut on the intake side?? very interesting....

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  3. No picture revkev,and Mamel the 60 is its own little engine.Are you in Europe? There are knowledgeable folks that can help.
     
  4. revkev6
    Joined: Jun 13, 2006
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    revkev6
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    from ma

    try it a different way:

    20150712_140258.jpg
     
  5. Mamel
    Joined: Jan 4, 2015
    Posts: 37

    Mamel


    Hey Texas Webb, I'm in Belgium and bought the engine in France.
    I subscribed in the vedette club france but still have to be allowed to join
     
  6. Mamel
    Joined: Jan 4, 2015
    Posts: 37

    Mamel

    I just don't know if the Amercican v8 60 speed parts will fit because I think the dimensions of the french little flathead are smaller but don't know for sure.

    Looks like when simca took over they bored it out to 2.4 changed the valves and the camshaft. Pushed the horsepower to around 84hp I thought.

    Sure think the Frenchies can help me sort it out just have to be allowed on the forum haha
     
  7. Phil the French
    Joined: Jan 20, 2016
    Posts: 9

    Phil the French
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    Hello,
    I am French and I can give some information about this v8.
    The name of the v8-60 installed in the Vedette Ford is "V8 Aquilon". It is a motor that has the reputation of being fragile.
    - Normally head and manifold intake are identical.
    ATTENTION !!!! check the volumes of chambers and the compression ratio. The low engine is fragile !!! If there is a problem, work with the thickness of the head gaskets or work the volume of the rooms.
    - The exhaust valves are identical. The pushers are different but there is an adaptable model. I can inquire for the reference.

    If you want more information, I can put you in touch with "Artman", a Frenchman who modified V8 Aquilon with parts of V8-60
     
  8. Phil the French
    Joined: Jan 20, 2016
    Posts: 9

    Phil the French
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    IMG_0251.JPG
    Valves and the différents pushers
     
  9. farmalldan
    Joined: Sep 4, 2009
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    farmalldan
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    from Duncan, OK

    "Looks like when simca took over they bored it out to 2.4"

    Probably not since the bore for the U.S. v8-60 was 2.6:).
     
  10. Good trivia question. "Did any Chrysler product ever come from the factory with a Ford engine?"
     
  11. revkev6
    Joined: Jun 13, 2006
    Posts: 3,350

    revkev6
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    from ma

    sherman tank with a GAA overhead cam ford
     
  12. Pershing's ran the Ford engine. MoPar built Sherman's used the Multibank engine
     
  13. revkev6
    Joined: Jun 13, 2006
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    revkev6
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    from ma

    not quite true... the M4A3 sherman was the ford GAA engined model.. it was built by ford, fisher and detroit tank arsenal (aka chrysler). chrysler built many different versions of the sherman tank only a few of which were powered by the multibank. most earlier shermans supplied by chrysler were powered by the 9 cylinder wright radial.
     
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  14. Interesting tank trivia. I have a lot to learn about WWII armament.
    Actually, I was referring to Simca, which became Chrysler of France, using V8-60 engines developed by Ford. Similarly, Sunbeam, part of Rootes Group which was also taken over by Chrysler, built the Tiger with a small block Ford engine
     

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