Hey This may sound totally weird and boarder lining psychotic, but; Have you looked at the Fordson F engine for a hot banger? Or the N? The most noticeable difference is the 4 inch bore of the F and and 4.125 on the N and 5 inch stroke, for both. But it looks a lot like any other ford Banger, but bigger. And there is no replacement for displacement. It's Smokey-thinking applied for a different era. Ideas are welcome, and if it's dead in the water, feel free to shoot it down.
You might want to look into the 9N engine. I wonder if a V8 head would fit? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_N-Series_tractor "The original 9N engine was a four-cylinder engine and was designed to be powered by distillate fuels. The engine shares the same bore and stroke sizes as one bank of the Ford V8 automobile engines. A few standard Ford auto and truck parts, such as timing gears and valve tappets, were used in this engine. The ford 9N engine was a side-valve, four-cylinder engine, with a 3.19-inch (81 mm) bore, 3.75-inch (95 mm) stroke, providing a displacement of 120 cubic inches (2,000 cm3)."
I'm a little ashamed to say, I completely forgot 8N and 9N, despite my farther had on when I was a kid. There is so much more power parts to be had for the Ford A banger, I doubt there is many advantages of going down in displacement? The whole Idea was going for higher displacement, and beat a hot banger with a big banger, and have them come over and look at it and scratch there head becaude they look at a Ford casting with an Aluhead, a Volvo Distributor and a Stromberg, just like there own and go "why the F is he that fast", in this case F is the answer [emoji12] And if a wanted a good 2 liter, I would have slapped a Volvo B20 in that puppi and never looked back.
@Dannerr, do you think this would be something for Craig? [emoji41][emoji2] I can't remember is handle. I would love to donate a Volvo Distributor, a coil, two SUs and help source a good block. And I got a superb idear for some Nimbus style pressurized oiling, I been dreaming to live out. I'm a good welder, and I can fabricate. Us three lads can make it happen.! Imagine this but bigger!
Recently on the local c list, there was a listing for a 40 ford pick up powered by a 4 cylinder engine. The info said it was one of a few produced and noted the engine was based on the tractor engine.
They bolt v8's into the tractors regularly so I'd ***ume putting the tractor motor in front of car drivetrain wouldn't be super hard
You need to look at the ports... will they flow and can the cam be ground into something more suitable for racing around town not plowing the Fields. Displacement doesn't mean anything if you can't get some RPMs out of it. Then you need to start thinking about compression and if it's anything like a model A head you can't mill much off with out getting into the water jackets Not saying it not going to work or it's not cool if it would work out. Just giving you something to think about Sent from my iPhone using The H.A.M.B. mobile app
This was a common engine used in midget race cars starting pre-war and continuing post war. Much speed equipment was available. They were called Ford Fergusons or Fergies but that terminology came from the hydraulics on the tractor and had nothing to do with the engine. Babe Stapp was one of the proponents of this engine and built speed equipment including a dry sump system.
Not at the moment, he's going another route (accros the atlantic, to be exact). But I've been thinking about it too, especially since I was by my stepdad weekend before last - he had his '49 gasoline Fergie started up. ;-) @28dreyer, which engine is this? Out of the 8n or Fordson? Kuul looking either way! :-D
Here's a thread with some info on the '40-1 banger Fords. https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/1941-ford-four-banger.725310/
To me, and at first glance, ports look the same as the model A and the Model F and N. I have no clue about how much different the internals are, but my knowledge of Mr Ford thinking; the solution was to KISS, all the way for Ford. He just made everything bigger, change casting and machine work and then full steam ahead on production. And regarding cams, I have no idea if it shares much with the Model A, since it made max power from 1000rpm, and peaked at 1500-1800. And regarding head, to bump compression, we could weld the head?
@28dreyer, which engine is this? Out of the 8n or Fordson? Kuul looking either way! :-D[/QUOTE] This is the 122 cu. in as used in the 4N, 8N, and 9N I believe.
Volvo up until 1920 that fordson engine was from hercules so it has more in common with other hercules engines than the A. In 1920 Ford started making their own engine but it was only slightly different than the previous Hercules.
Volvobrynk, funny what you said...few years ago i entered my 29 -A in a hill climb, my buddies talked me into entering, i won my cl***,stock looking eng, a man i beat came over and looked at my car and said ''i don't kno how you beat me because i kno i'm cheating'' HaHa
The distributor location is certainly different from an A-B Ford. Which means the cam is also different.
I had a flight of fancy down this rabbit hole briefly last year and would love to see it done. I think a little T body or a single seater would be ideal.
It is something I wonder about. There are lots of air cooled engines running around that are OHV. A flathead, such as this, has no or little exhaust heat in it. So why couldn't you make an aluminum head without water jackets? Like the bronze heads made for Ford V8 engines, years ago. It is a lot easier to make a head without water jackets. You could still run water out from around the exhaust valve through the head and help with cooling the head. I know for a fact you can warm an engine to 180 degrees and then make a full throttle p*** 3 miles long with such a set up and no ill effects. Never tried it on the street, but lots of motorcycles do.
Another option. Hercules engine company started in my backyard. Canton Ohio. Began actually by Mr Timken of bearing fame. Here's some history. They Made both diesel and gas engines. http://www.gasenginemagazine.com/gas-engines/a-brief-history-of-hercules-engines http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/ ..
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